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Harry v. NGN

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Atlasvue · 19/01/2025 10:02

Starting a thread for Tuesday.
This BBC article covers the basics. This is the last line ….
Tuesday really is the beginning of the end. And someone is going to lose - and lose big.

I have a feeling, that Harry won’t win but he just wants to use the public setting to air his grievances. A therapy session would have worked out much cheaper.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2l00xkgwnyo

Prince Harry leaves the court during his hacking case against the Daily Mirror. He wears a dark coloured suit, white shirt and tie. His barrister David Sherborne, also dressed in a dark suit is on his left.  A crowd of photographers are behind a metal...

Prince Harry versus newspapers: This is the one that matters

Prince Harry’s legal battle against British tabloids for allegedly unlawfully intruding into his life reaches its most important moment on Tuesday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2l00xkgwnyo

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JoyousGreyOrca · 22/01/2025 16:47

@MummyJ12 what is this mysterious american network you have not named?

IcedPurple · 22/01/2025 16:48

JoyousGreyOrca · 22/01/2025 16:46

@IcedPurple why are you quoting a journalists opinion as if it is fact? Strange thing to do.

Maybe you should say that to the person who referred to unsubstantiated rumours of an '8 figure settlement' as fact?

Oh wait. That was you.

What was factually incorrect in any of the quotes above?

JoyousGreyOrca · 22/01/2025 16:48

MummyJ12 · 22/01/2025 16:46

You seem certain of a lot of things you can’t be certain of.

I seem to understand the Leveson Enquiry and the lead up to it more than you do.

Viviennemary · 22/01/2025 16:48

JoyousGreyOrca · 22/01/2025 16:23

Technically if we are being pedantic, it is not a win, it is a settlement.
But a settlement with a wide ranging public apology and a large settlement would be seen as a win by anyone.

Has Harry more or less got what he wanted. If so it's a win if not well he hasn't done badly out of a bit of self righteousness and foot stamping and his usual poor hard done by me act.

Atlasvue · 22/01/2025 16:49

Even the BBC knows it’s not a win

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2l0kzypgz4o

‘They say he's been vindicated - but will there also, deep down, be some mixed feelings about not getting his day in court? Was this really "slaying dragons" of the tabloid press, as he'd celebrated after a previous win when he'd given evidence in court against Mirror Group Newspapers?

Why did Prince Harry strike a deal now?
It seems a change from Prince Harry being adamant that this was about "accountability".
"The goal is accountability. It's really that simple," Prince Harry told a media event in New York last month, about why he was taking on the Murdoch press.
"The scale of the cover up is so large that people need to see it for themselves," he said.
He was fully aware of the financial risks built into such civil disputes, but seemed determined to press on, not just for himself but for 1,300 claimants who he said had settled but had "no justice".

The bombshell case that was going to see Prince Harry giving evidence against his tabloid tormentors is over before it began. Who, in the end, will be more pleased about that?’

Prince Harry, head and shoulders picture, taken in New York in Sept 2024

Has Prince Harry really won his tabloid battle?

The settlement between the prince and the Sun's publisher is a dramatic, high stakes, turnaround.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2l0kzypgz4o

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GiveMeSpanakopita · 22/01/2025 16:49

TallerSally · 22/01/2025 16:44

Some more interesting coverage (with some spot-on words!) in the not normally Harry-friendly Standard:

Prince Harry's stunning victory has humiliated The Sun and exposed a fatal flaw in Britain's justice system

"Wherever you stand, it is unarguable that today is Harry’s day. A stunning victory in the High Court over Rupert Murdoch, a grovelling apology, and the first ever admission of unlawful wrongdoing at The Sun.
The apology itself is a remarkable piece of writing — a single page which tore apart years of denials from News Group Newspapers (NGN) that The Sun had done anything wrong.
Private investigators hired to dig up dirt on the paper’s targets used unlawful means to gather the information.

Harry secured a degree of justice for his mother, Princess Diana, with an apology for the media intrusions into her privacy in the final years of her life.
And there was also a shocking admission that the News of the World breached Lord Tom Watson’s privacy when he was a government minister and actually investigating wrongdoing at the tabloid between 2009 and 2011.

There are some people who will feel robbed of a full High Court trial, to put the activities at The Sun in the full public glare. Senior Murdoch figures like Rebekah Brooks and Will Lewis would have faced intense scrutiny.

Bosses at NGN will likely be relieved at this outcome, in spite of the humiliation, as it avoids ten weeks of courtroom drama and relevations that would surely have inflicted lasting damage on the company. Murdoch himself was set to face claims he “turned a blind eye” to phone hacking.

For Harry himself, his critics will surely attempt to pick apart the victory, claim he failed to truly hold his tabloid enemies to account, and then return to lambasting every aspect of his life in California.

[read the article, if you're interested in views other than your own!]

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/prince-harry-trial-sun-settlement-news-group-b1206424.html

Yeah, Evgeney Lebedev haaaaates NGN, because The Times and The Sun have, on more than one occasion, had the temerity to report on some of his...less fragrant oligarchical dealings.

JoyousGreyOrca · 22/01/2025 16:49

@Viviennemary you think having journalists act illegally when gathering information for news stories about you, and taking them to court for acting illegally is a poor me stance? Extraordinary viewpoint.

MummyJ12 · 22/01/2025 16:50

JoyousGreyOrca · 22/01/2025 16:47

@MummyJ12 what is this mysterious american network you have not named?

CBS

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/01/2025 16:51

How do you know Harry got a much bigger settlement?

Apart from those concerned none of us are privy to how much each got, @Mylovelygreendress, but it won't stop some pretending they do - and in the meantime at least the rest of us stop short of claiming things they can't possibly know

MummyJ12 · 22/01/2025 16:51

JoyousGreyOrca · 22/01/2025 16:48

I seem to understand the Leveson Enquiry and the lead up to it more than you do.

I’m sure you know everything.

JoyousGreyOrca · 22/01/2025 16:51

Reuters said that NGN paid Harry an eight figure sum in settlement.

Vespanest · 22/01/2025 16:51

JoyousGreyOrca · 22/01/2025 16:48

I seem to understand the Leveson Enquiry and the lead up to it more than you do.

And yet you thought NGN admitting illegal activities at the NOTW that have been proven in a criminal court of law was a gotcha and a win for Harry

IcedPurple · 22/01/2025 16:52

JoyousGreyOrca · 22/01/2025 16:51

Reuters said that NGN paid Harry an eight figure sum in settlement.

They'll simply be reporting speculation, as by law the actual figures involved are confidential.

So you're basically repeating rumours as fact.

Janiie · 22/01/2025 16:53

Can't wait for Harry's no doubt longwinded statement when he admits no dragons were sadly slain afterall but that he is donating all his settlement to worthy causes. Something good to come out of his lawsuits, that would be nice.

Atlasvue · 22/01/2025 16:54

Yes, maybe he will donate the large sum of money to the LA fire relief efforts?

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GiveMeSpanakopita · 22/01/2025 16:54

JoyousGreyOrca · 22/01/2025 16:47

@MummyJ12 what is this mysterious american network you have not named?

CBS! CBS were crazy man they bought the close ups of Diana's head injury from the Parisian agency and were shopping them around, showed them several times on their network even as late as 2014. There wasn't a lot the RF could do legally of course. But, yes, I was flabbergasted that Harry then was comfortable giving them an interview about suicides in young people.

JoyousGreyOrca · 22/01/2025 16:54

MummyJ12 · 22/01/2025 16:50

CBS

Ah yes CBS did show a Photo of Diana in the car in a documentary. The Palace and the Spencers formally complained and a public apology was made.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/01/2025 16:55

MummyJ12 · 22/01/2025 16:45

Harry also seems to be selective over who he’s upset with on his mother’s behalf. He wanted an apology for her from NGN, but the American news network that ran footage of his mother’s fatal car crash scene, he gave an exclusive to.

Perhaps at that point he was hoping for better coverage in the US?

As things have turned out it's not what's now happening, but never mind ... maybe he'll start suing them too (though I'm told the courts have made it harder to win such cases in the US)

JoyousGreyOrca · 22/01/2025 16:56

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JoyousGreyOrca · 22/01/2025 16:58

This was a win for Harry and a loss for NGN.
Everyone else except ardent Royalists will also see it that way.

Serenster · 22/01/2025 16:59

JoyousGreyOrca · 22/01/2025 16:30

William did not bring about the Leveson enquiry!!
What an attempt to rewrite history.

The Second Part of the Leveson enquiry was “ to examine the extent of unlawful or improper conduct at the News of the World and other newspapers, and the way in which management failures may have allowed it to happen”.

A direct quote from the inquiry (bonding is mine):

This Inquiry was ultimately directed because of the wide scale public revulsion at the reported conduct of one or more journalists from the News of the World (NoTW) in intercepting messages left on the mobile telephone of Milly Dowler: this type of interception has been referred to colloquially as phone hacking. Having said that, however, there was also increasing public concern about the apparent lack of appropriate investigation by the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) into the conduct of a private investigator, Glenn Mulcaire,
and the extent of the involvement of the NoTW (precipitated by increasing disclosure arising out of civil litigation). The consequence (prior to the disclosures about Milly Dowler) was that the then Acting Commissioner, Tim Godwin, had re-opened the investigation into the NoTW which had started in 2006; substantial resources were devoted to it….

That 2006 investigation into the operations of Glenn Mulcaire was known by the police as Operation Caryatid. It was launched by the Police after Prince William and his office raised concerns directly with Scotland Yard about William’s phone being hacked back in December 2005.

As you can see, this investigation was credited by Lord Leveson as being a one of the keys events, along with the hacking of Dowling’s phone, that led to his inquiry.

Atlasvue · 22/01/2025 17:00

JoyousGreyOrca · 22/01/2025 16:58

This was a win for Harry and a loss for NGN.
Everyone else except ardent Royalists will also see it that way.

Not true. The BBC clearly explains this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2l0kzypgz4o

Prince Harry, head and shoulders picture, taken in New York in Sept 2024

Has Prince Harry really won his tabloid battle?

The settlement between the prince and the Sun's publisher is a dramatic, high stakes, turnaround.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2l0kzypgz4o

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Janiie · 22/01/2025 17:01

JoyousGreyOrca · 22/01/2025 16:58

This was a win for Harry and a loss for NGN.
Everyone else except ardent Royalists will also see it that way.

He settled! He did not win anything.

Spectre8 · 22/01/2025 17:01

Atlasvue · 22/01/2025 16:54

Yes, maybe he will donate the large sum of money to the LA fire relief efforts?

Make your mind up! Earlier you posted

We won’t hear about any donations, because there won’t be any cash outside of the legal fees.

Yet you continue to ponder if he will donate any of the money? So what is your stance because right now your contradicting yourself.

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