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Atlasvue · 2025-01-19T10:02:32+00:00

Starting a thread for Tuesday. This BBC article covers the basics. This is the last line …. ’*Tuesday really is the beginning of the end. And someone is going to lose - and lose big.*’ I have a feeling, that Harry won’t win but he just wants to use the public setting to air his grievances. A therapy session would have worked out much cheaper. [[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2l00xkgwnyo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2l00xkgwnyo]]

Ineedashero · 19/01/2025 21:32

I'm sure Harry will use it as an opportunity to stick it to his family and reveal additional information, as PPs say, its all about revenge and attention for him.

sleepwouldbenice · 19/01/2025 21:41

smilesy · 19/01/2025 19:31

See the post above yours. It’s not a criminal trial. It’s purpose is not to apportion blame or hold anyone to account

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Yes I can read thanks and I said I understand that
But again, my view is that what these people did, to many many people, should be exposed
Again, I am not his greatest fan at all, but I support him on this
If this is just an I hate Harry thread then will just leave you to it

Vespanest · 19/01/2025 21:50

sleepwouldbenice · 19/01/2025 21:41

Yes I can read thanks and I said I understand that
But again, my view is that what these people did, to many many people, should be exposed
Again, I am not his greatest fan at all, but I support him on this
If this is just an I hate Harry thread then will just leave you to it

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You think Harry or any of the claimants are going to expose what happened more the the Millie case, Leveson or even William who was instrumental in exposing this. These cases are for those who abused by the press to receive compensation for historical illegal activities. This however doesn't need to be in court as court is only when there is no other means of settlement.

smilesy · 19/01/2025 21:52

sleepwouldbenice · 19/01/2025 21:41

Yes I can read thanks and I said I understand that
But again, my view is that what these people did, to many many people, should be exposed
Again, I am not his greatest fan at all, but I support him on this
If this is just an I hate Harry thread then will just leave you to it

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No. It’s nothing to do with “hate”. It’s to do with how the legal system works. A civil case is not designed to “expose” what anyone did. It’s not about revenge or making an example of anyone and should not be used as such. It is about receiving money. That is all

Jacquette · 19/01/2025 22:07

CatsWhiskerz · 19/01/2025 15:19

I hope he loses - mean, yes, but he has double standards, is entitled and is plain nasty - I
Know the papers are pretty bad, but nothing like they used to be. Harry is a petulant child and hasn't even got good evidence - total idiot that he is he thinks because he's a prince he can get his way and people will pander to him - I really hope he gets
A judge that puts him in his place - total waste of time and money

They already have a judge: Fancourt.

Serenster · 19/01/2025 22:11

sleepwouldbenice · 19/01/2025 21:41

Yes I can read thanks and I said I understand that
But again, my view is that what these people did, to many many people, should be exposed
Again, I am not his greatest fan at all, but I support him on this
If this is just an I hate Harry thread then will just leave you to it

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Genuinely, you might want to read the report of the Leveson enquiry. It is illuminating and horrifying in equal measure.

It’s also reporting on historic practices that no longer exist. So in that respect, Harry’s lawsuit is misguided. He’s using a route that is solely set up to claim monetary damages to try and mount some kind of crusade against behaviours that have already changed. Tilting at windmills, if you like. But courts can be unpredictable, and so it is foolish to predict the outcome.

Personally I think this is a massive waste of the courts’ time, and a mis-use of its function, but his very expensive lawyers either think this case is worth bringing, or haven’t been able to convince Harry it’s not, so let’s see what happens…

Jacquette · 19/01/2025 22:15

Partybagprick · 19/01/2025 19:09

He'll have received a Part 36 offer of settlement, the same as the other claimants who settled. He'll need to beat the Part 36 offer in court to avoid having to pay the other side's cost from the date of the Part 36 offer. That means that if he does win, but the damages the court awards are less than he would have got in the out of court settlement, then it's a pyrrhic victory, and he's a complete prat for wasting court time.

Civil cases are not supposed to be about dragon slaying and making moral points, they are supposed to be about putting the claimant in the position they would be in but for the alleged actions of the defendant, and the primary aim under the Civil Procedure Rules that govern civil cases is settlement. We should not forget the 2 claimants in the other case (the one Harry's brief did his dragon slaying speech at), who both failed to beat the Part 36 offers by the defendant newspaper offering them substantial damages. One lost her case altogether because of the limitation period expiring, the other was awarded damages, but not nearly as much as was offered in pre trial settlement. Both got a hefty costs bill from the newspapers. Had they settled, they'd have both been substantially rewarded.

Neither Harry or Lord Watson want to settle. The rest have dropped away. It’s a huge financial risk of course but one they are willing to take.

As did the two in the Mirror case who proceeded. I don’t think it’s about money for any of them.

IcedPurple · 19/01/2025 22:26

sleepwouldbenice · 19/01/2025 21:27

Read what was said by him when he accepted the payout. He wanted his day in court and I understand that, these vile people deserve to be humiliated

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He didn't 'want his day in court' enough to take the financial hit though, did he?

Anyway, like the vast majority of people, I really don't care about Hugh Grant or Harry's phones being hacked decades ago.

And 'these people' aren't going to be 'humiliated'. This is all ancient history and they've already paid out hundreds of millions.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 19/01/2025 22:30

I hope he wins. It's despicable what the news industry has done, and that particular news paper got off almost Scot free.

Jacquette · 19/01/2025 22:33

Vanity Fair

An interesting article about the court case in Vanity Fair. I have a subscription, so I’m not sure if other posters without a subscription will be able to access it.

CaraCameleon · 19/01/2025 22:39

He’s presumably already in the UK?

Rhaidimiddim · 19/01/2025 22:47

Just a thought.

If H wanted to expose NGN and their nasty practices back then toba really wide audience, and hold the people responsible to account.

He could have approached Netflix and proposed a documentary series on the subject, with personal anecdotes. I would watch that!

sleepwouldbenice · 19/01/2025 22:57

"Anyway, like the vast majority of people, I really don't care about Hugh Grant or Harry's phones being hacked decades ago. "

That says more about you, than anything else

Vespanest · 19/01/2025 23:01

The mirror case which he won hasn't held anyone to account, Piers got a bit of attention but the world kept turning, Piers kept gobbing off, there was no dragons slayed. Harry's winning probably didn't even cover his expenses of attending court. Nothing changed apart from money exchanged, as these are historical cases. This one will be the same, Harry failed to get Murdoch included so who is being held to account other than the group whose personnel have probably moved on since the illegal activity time. Now if Harry did have a way at getting to Murdoch that I would be behind.

BasiliskStare · 19/01/2025 23:08

What are the expenses likely to be - does anyone know or is that something which will never known ?

Serenster · 20/01/2025 15:24

The legal expenses? The trial starting tomorrow is expected to last six to eight weeks. By the time you take into account a team of solicitors, senior and junior barristers and PR advisers (given it’s Harry) plus accommodation, a “war room” for them to use near the court room etc - between £5m and £10m just on out of pocket expenses alone. Easy.

IAmATorturedPoet · 20/01/2025 15:38

Serenster · 20/01/2025 15:24

The legal expenses? The trial starting tomorrow is expected to last six to eight weeks. By the time you take into account a team of solicitors, senior and junior barristers and PR advisers (given it’s Harry) plus accommodation, a “war room” for them to use near the court room etc - between £5m and £10m just on out of pocket expenses alone. Easy.

A fool and his money ……..

WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout · 20/01/2025 16:19

Serenster · 20/01/2025 15:24

The legal expenses? The trial starting tomorrow is expected to last six to eight weeks. By the time you take into account a team of solicitors, senior and junior barristers and PR advisers (given it’s Harry) plus accommodation, a “war room” for them to use near the court room etc - between £5m and £10m just on out of pocket expenses alone. Easy.

And this is why in litigation it’s often advisable to settle…

Partybagprick · 20/01/2025 16:44

Not just advisable - it's part of the Overriding Objective of the Civil Procedure Rules. If a case can be settled, it should be. Pursuing a full trial in the knowledge you are going to get less than you would in a settlement, but for the purposes of point scoring, finger pointing and self aggrandisement is just wrong.

https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/civil/rules/part01

PART 1 – OVERRIDING OBJECTIVE – Civil Procedure Rules

https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/civil/rules/part01

TERFspice · 20/01/2025 16:46

Harry doesn't listen to anyone except himself and Meghan.

It's about to cost him dearly.

Partybagprick · 20/01/2025 16:48

If Meghan's puff pieces are to be believed, she wants him to drop all the court action, so maybe this one is just on him 🤔

HeddaGarbled · 20/01/2025 16:51

I should think she would be a bit pissed off if he’s expecting her to earn all the money so he can spend it on slaying his dragons.

TizerorFizz · 20/01/2025 16:55

Judges in civil cases can award costs to the winning side to be borne by the losing side. Or they might not. It’s a risk. Damages may well be lower than an earlier settlement offered. He wants his day in court.

Partybagprick · 20/01/2025 17:02

TizerorFizz · 20/01/2025 16:55

Judges in civil cases can award costs to the winning side to be borne by the losing side. Or they might not. It’s a risk. Damages may well be lower than an earlier settlement offered. He wants his day in court.

Not if there's a Part 36 Offer in place that he fails to beat. If that happens, he'll be paying both sides' costs (subject to assessment) from the date of the Part 36 offer, including the trial costs. No judge can override that principle.

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Atlasvue · 20/01/2025 17:07

sleepwouldbenice · 19/01/2025 22:57

"Anyway, like the vast majority of people, I really don't care about Hugh Grant or Harry's phones being hacked decades ago. "

That says more about you, than anything else

The poster isn’t on her own, many people think the same. Myself included.

The public doesn’t care at all about celebrities phones being hacked. The lawyers representing them know that too, hence why figures such as Doreen Lawrence were approached, to gain the publics interest and sympathy.

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