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Carrying on.

Employee feels Harry is happy doing charity work and is happy for meghan to do all the work to make money so he doesn’t need to

Well, to be fair to the BBC, there was no mention of Drag in the article...

Tomorrow's chip paper belongs to the time of printed press though, when things were forgotten. Modern media recycles stories though. Endlessly.

VF does a piece and not only do the major papers cover it, but their columnists and commentators go over it again. Then there are the online articles and podcasts, not to mention chat forums like this one discussing and analysing the article. This particular story also builds on the HR article and other sources about bullying. The belief that M is a high maintenance bully isn't going to go away.

And "but... Andrew" isn't trying to sell himself as an inspirational lifestyle brand.

So how can the Sussex's recover? I think months of very public therapy. Followed by a public statement that their previous behaviour was due to unprocessed trauma. They now see things in a different light and offer fulsome apologies to the Royal family her father and any employees that they caused distress to. Going forward they will do much better. A large number of under the radar charitable efforts which can be in the press in retrospect. What do you all think?

I think he was very fond of Catherine, probably found her attractive also and was more envious of his brother than ever. I wonder if every woman in his life since was weighed up in terms of how how she'd measure up to Catherine. But I think the real issue was more that he can't stand the fact that his brothers choice of wife is seen as superior to his. For some bizarre reason, he clearly thought it would be the opposite and his choice of wife would trump Williams and that Meghan would outshine Catherine in every day. Sadly he was completely deluded.

They are equals in beauty although Catherine's is natural and classy whereas Meghan has had a fair bit of work done and sometimes gets it wrong with clothes. In my eyes Meghan also has a slight edge over C in background as she is slightly less privileged than Catherine's perfect, shiny, sheltered upper middle-class up upbringing (although M's childhood was certainly very far removed from the disadvantaged tales she spun) and therefore allowances should be made for Catherines unfair advantage there.

But in endless other ways Catherine is the superior wife, mother, royal and person.. absolutely no question. And I say that as someone who isnt a fan of any of them. The public see Catherine has the better qualities but more importantly his family see it and that is what he cannot stand, forgive or accept. He thought he'd pulled an ace card with this incredible woman and when his family saw her for what she was he was filled with rage, bitterness, jealousy and he wanted revenge. Possibly over time he has begun to see that she duped him and he's been sold a lemon with Megz but now its too late and he hates everyone.

I often wonder about Meghan and Doria's relationship. There must be love there of course, and they both have incredibly powerful motives even outside of love, for keeping their relationship going. But it must be a complicated relationship, considering the history. Meghan has good reason to harbour resentment there. And we all know that she falls out with everyone.

Referencing unprocessed trauma is just more of the same victimhood. I would say withdraw from public life for at least a year. Build genuine friends and contacts. Dedicate some time to do actual good work that doesn’t involve centering themselves.

Either that or embrace it and go the whole hog as reality TV stars in the dying days of that genre. Sell the film rights to their story with Meghan full on mean girl stereotype and Harry her useful sidekick. Before long she might get invited to host game shows as the ‘bad cop’ in a good cop/bad cop type pairing.

Maybe there was an episode on barbeques. I can see how that may not go down well...

If that were the case I'm not sure it would have been presented as Meghan asking NF for a delay so that she could focus on the wildfires. It would have been a NF decision and framed as such. Plus they could easily have released it with that ep missing, and as a PP suggested, with a short intro from Meghan referencing the fires. I could write the script myself in 2 mins.

So how can the Sussex's recover?

Assuming they will stay in America, the political context in Trumps new world adds an interesting dimension. I think it will be interesting to watch what the democrats do next and if M can gatecrash her way in. I hope I'm wrong, but Michelle Obama's absence from recent events worries me and there will be space for women in a reshaped party.

The idea of Meghan becoming president is for the birds, but I wouldn't be completely shocked if she tried to seek a role. Obviously any level of acceptance by others would require self-reflection and some apologies though, so I might not hold my breath.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/21/prince-harry-deluded-vanity-fair-spotify-podcast-putin/

How the Harry meets Vlad podcast would go:

‘“Hello, is that Vladimir Putin?”

“Speaking.”

“Hi Vlad, it’s Prince Harry. You know: the ginger one from the British Royal family. Until recently, anyway. Just wanted to ask you a quick favour.”

“But of course, Harry. Fire away.”

“I’m starting a podcast, and I’d like to interview you for it.”

“Sure, no problem. I love being interviewed. After all, everyone knows how strongly I believe in media freedom, and the importance of holding political leaders to account. Why, without that, we wouldn’t have democracy! Is there anything in particular you’d like to question me about?”

“Yes. My podcast is going to be called Prince Harry Meets the World’s Most Awful People, and in it, I’m going to ask my guests why exactly they’re so horrible, evil and mad. So naturally I thought straight away of you.”

“Harry, I’m touched.”

“Hang on, I haven’t finished yet. As well as discussing why it is that you’re so awful, we’ll also talk about why it is that I, by contrast, am so wonderful. How come, instead of being a hideous psycho like you, I turned out to be so selfless, humble and down-to-earth?”

“That’s a great question.”

“It is. A lot of people have been asking it, ever since I publicly walked out on my family and moved to the other side of the world to get away from them. And people are bound to ask that question even more, when they find out that I’ve agreed to write a tell-all memoir revealing damaging secrets about my family in exchange for a vast sum of money.”

“Delightful. Harry, I’d love to appear on your podcast.”

“Thanks, Vlad. I knew that, despite being, like I just said, a ruthlessly self-serving maniac, you’d be eager to help out a complete stranger for no personal gain, and allow him to insult you in front of the entire world.”

“My pleasure. There’s only one very small difficulty. What with my busy schedule of invading other countries and murdering my critics in cold blood, I might not have room in my diary to fly to Montecito. So would you mind if we conduct the interview in Russia, instead? I have the perfect studio for you. It’s on the top floor of an extremely tall building, and has the most spectacular views – as you will see, when I take you over to the window…”’

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I don't think they can.

Certainly there's no future for them in the UK and definitely not in the RF.

And Meghan (and H to some degree) make everything about themselves and for that to work you've got to be likable and aspirational. That's just not the case now, except for the die-hard crazies of the Sussex Squad. They've made themselves a laughing stock (and a pompous one at that) which no-one wants to be associated with.

If they hadn't been so self-centred and desperate for adulation in all their endeavours they might have had a chance to regain a foothold eventually with a genuine project.

The lack of humility is a huge part in it all. Its one the main reasons why everything about her is so cringe-inducing. She is the very opposite of humble. The vulgar, ostentatious mansion, the horrendous stories of Charles having to ask Harry to get her to reign her clothes expenditure in a little. Rejecting all the initial beautiful offers of queens tiara, wedding venue etc as she wanted something bigger and grander. It all makes one wince to think of it. It's just such poor taste. There are so many people much, much wealthier who are outwardly so much more low-key in their lifestyle.

The deals they got were aimed squarely at the early exclusives and bombshells.

If they were playing the long game, they could have hired real (and expensive) talent to establish themselves as producers, so that the next phase would work.

But the lifestyle brand stuff just isn't a flyer. Not within the next five years - they take time, and starting small.

And politics isn't the right sphere for them either. Divisive figures only work on the right, not the centre or centre-left. Nobody's putting up billions to help Meghan ascend, and she doesn't have her own.

It would be interesting to watch the democrats kill themselves off entirely and certainly Meghan would fit nicely into that. But for the sake of American, I hope the Democrats reflect and move away from the self-destruction of late rather than double down.

If Kamala can get as far as she did then its not impossible. But I think Meghan is too tainted now surely. Besides, the Democrats surely have learnt their lesson now that paying celebs to toot their political horns does not do them any favours.

Kamala getting as far as she did is one of the things the Democrats need to reflect on.

I just can’t see where they go from here, apart from living a quiet life but that doesn’t bring in the money.

She’s unfortunately not got the star quality and makes everything about her, her and her without having the depth of her actually being that likeable or interesting.

He’s only got his royal connection and that’s been blown apart. Strategically they messed up a million fold by denigrating their relationship with the British royal family. It was their only USP and they blasted it sky high and slaughtered the golden goose.

It’s so apparent that firstly they don’t have the base to form a successful showbiz style career and importantly they don’t listen to professional advice from those who have tried to help them develop “their brand” going forward.

It’s actually quite hard to understand how a couple who had such goodwill towards them and such opportunities have managed to be in this situation. But it also shows huge arrogance that neither of them have listened to sage advice, initially from the late Queen, other family members and then professional advisors and companies who specialise in PR.

It's like she memorised one light-weight Ted talk from 2014 and then felt she was all set to speak with autority on any subject, anywhere, to any audience.

His Netflix cake faffing special would be a sight to behold, I'm sure.

And now we have Prince Andrew's Spotted Dick ....

Andrew's lifetsyle brand would be hilarious.

He's deluded enough to do it too.

He could sell wellies, cocaine and sex toys.

Should I ask Mumsnet to provide a vomit emoji?

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It’s actually quite hard to understand how a couple who had such goodwill towards them and such opportunities have managed to be in this situation.
It gives me secondhand embarrassment, the same as when I think about Liz Truss. Like, how do you get up in the morning? I can only assume that they do have enough money left to not care, and that on balance their life is happier like this than it would be in the royal family.