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Carrying on.

Employee feels Harry is happy doing charity work and is happy for meghan to do all the work to make money so he doesn’t need to

Oh yeah that’s true forgot about Israel. They’re the only ones though.
all the British veterans voluntarily went to conflict situations. When they are telling about their trauma I never get it I’m like what did you THINK it would be like out there? Did you think it would be like a video game? That the bullets wouldn’t be real?

I'm sorry to keep raining on your parade about this, but Colombia has conscription aka national service, and joined Invictus officially in 2022.

Haha ok then! I attended an invoctus pre event recently and neither Israel nor Columbia was there. So forgot about them.

it still stands for the UK though and if I’m not mistaken, the vast majority of the countries in Invictus.

I think also for Columbia, they have conscripts but they don’t get send to conflict zones? Severs if the other countries have conscripts too but you only get send to combat if you volunteer so the difference I’m referring to isn’t conscripts or not, but whether conscripts get deployed to conflict zones.

https://archive.ph/1FZjI

https://www.thetimes.com/life-style/celebrity/article/prince-harry-meghan-markle-vanity-fair-what-next-pwj5vdmcd

Wee bit of morning reading. It’s funny

I think what Meghan lacks is any level of humility.

This is behind her refusal to accept that she has anything to learn from other people (be they her own staff, external specialists, courtiers and experienced royals etc etc). She clearly told Harry that she was going to show his family how things should be done and he believed her. Really clever and successful people know that they can and should look, listen and learn in all kinds of contexts.

Meghan is a world-expert in talking the talk....but can she deliver? I've not seen any evidence that she can. She makes a very good word salad but where's the protein?

Meghan's envy of Catherine is evidenced even before she met Harry. That relationship was never going to work, whatever efforts C tried to make. Meghan does not tolerate anyone outshining her and definitely not another woman. And if Harry ever told her (in his dim, gauche innocence) that 'you'll love Catherine - she's been like a sister to me', well, that would have put the cherry on top for a disastrous relationship between the two women.

Spicy 😃thanks for the archive.

This made me laugh.

" According to Netflix’s blurb, the show “reimagines the genre of lifestyle programming”, perhaps drawing on her experiences reimagining the monarchy in her own image, which went so well."

That's a great article and really hits the nail on the head when the writer says they lack curiosity about anyone but themselves. M's podcast 'could have been 'Back to me'. The final sentence is quite damning - M's whole life is about elevating the ordinary. Ouch.

You could say that about any job that is likely to bring you in to contact with traumatic situations. What about the police? Do you think that they think it is all about driving around in fast cars and catching baddies? Do you not think that they are well aware that they could end up in physical danger and be involved in traumatic incidents? Do you not think that when people join the army and undergo their training they are not made well aware that they could end up in a real conflict situation? Being aware in advance that you will be in danger doesn’t prevent you from experiencing trauma. Members of the armed forces are still human beings and no matter how prepared everyone tries to be we are all vulnerable and have no real idea how we will be affected.
Most people join the armed forces for reasons other than wanting to go to war, but they are not naive to the possibility that they may be involved in conflict.
Also, some of the competitors at Invictus have received injuries that are nothing to do with conflict. They have been injured in accidents or other incidents. Was this their fault too because they happened to be in the Army?
I too wish we were not in need of armed forces but it is unrealistic to think this is a possibility. In the meantime we are indeed fortunate that there are those who volunteer to keep us safe and potentially put themselves in harms way.
Maybe try finding out what actual members of the armed forces think about their role before being judgmental. You obviously have no real idea of what it entails. They are not stupid and ignorant as you seem to be implying they are. And as a family member I am both proud and aware of the potential danger to my family member

eta. Sorry for derail. I was doing other things while wring my post so I’m a bit behind now. Back to the thread subject!

What do you think of paramedics? They ‘volunteer’ for their profession too and 20% of them end up with PTSD. I guess we shouldn’t proffer them any sympathy or support either. Who wants a paramedic anyway……?

In Spare Harry writes that during the dogbowl argument with William, one of his reasons to be upset with his brother is that he believed Meghan was bullying people, and that, according to him, was another invention of the press. So I can see him believing that VF has made it up.

Meghan has been proved to be quite ruthless dealing with people. I think that by the end of 2019, she was leaving with or without Harry. It doesnt surprised me that she had a without strategy.

It's not a bad idea about Netflix running the series and incorporating the fires. @Lavenderfarmcottage, but have the company themselves actually said anything about why it was delayed?

I can't find anything if so, and as so often a lot seems to be speculation - which could include the thought that they did it because they knew what was about to hit the fan

And you're right, @Cublaca; given Harry's constant complaaints about the media making things up, he might just think the same about the latest rumours.
I certainly hope so, because the alternaative's much worse ...

I think he could well be used to people shouting and swearing and consider that as bullying, but be completely clueless as to how the sort of "freezing out" behaviour can feel. Because until he flounced, people probably did all sorts to him, but he's unlikely to have experienced being frozen out.

So he might not even "see" the behaviour. Which is no excuse as an employer seeing people cry at their desks and dismissing it as, "constructive criticism".

Little things too, like the mention in Tom Bower about Markus Anderson showing up and making incomprehensible in jokes.

I went to a friend's 30th at the weekend, and she was the only one I knew there. Lots of childhood friends. One really lovely woman always checked in when the conversation became very historical, and explained the history to me.

This quote

"Five years since the Sandringham Summit, countless hours of air time, millions of dollars in salaries, and advice from the most expensive public relations people that money can buy, and what have H&M concluded? “They want to be people who are looked at as people who want to change the world.”"

It sums up the main thing I find frustrating about both of them. They don't do anything, they just talk about things. Take bullying online. Lots of statements, lots of sitting on panels talking about their experience.

But when Meghan sat on a panel last Spring and talked about her experience of online bullying she had a perfect opportunity to mention the fact that her sister in law was being bullied online at that moment, but she didn't.

They both talk about the importance of truth in the media, but Harry is on record as saying that how he feels is as true as actual facts. They both have form for misremembering facts preferring their own victim narrative.

If they actually did something they would achieve the applause they so clearly want. Instead they chose to talk and in that talk they care only about their own experience and image. Empathy isn't writing statements or performative hugging people, it's actions not words.

@IdaGlossop

"he draws on the same lexicon."

And it ain't, ever, fluent Spanish.

I do get why she doesn't mention Catherine and the bullying, I think she would be destroyed if she said anything, she has absolutely no place mentioning it, even if it is her supporters who are the backbone of the hate for Catherine. .

Maybe Harry could allude to it, but I do think William would go ballistic to hear them use Catherine as an example for one of their pet agendas.

Its obvious over the years they only pay lip service to any anti bullying agenda they promote considering how they treat their own employees, the toxic work environment they have created and how they have attempted to destroy the reputations of their close family.

Oof! Amen to that!

William, too, must feel vindicated about the dog bowl incident, which was caused by William wanting Harry to confront Meghan on her bullying of their staff

You could say that about any job that is likely to bring you in to contact with traumatic situations. What about the police? Do you think that they think it is all about driving around in fast cars and catching baddies?

@smilesy

Definitely! The daughter of a friend is a police officer whose job over the last year has frequently been to attend road accidents (and the occasional air accident - private aircraft, helicopters etc). She is very traumatised - it isn't the aspect of policing she wanted to be involved in but for various reasons that's where she's been deployed.

Nearly every week she has to stay with and comfort dying people (some horribly injured) and then go and tell their family. She's a conscientious, idealistic person who genuinely wants to help people and this has affected her very deeply indeed.

This quote
"Five years since the Sandringham Summit, countless hours of air time, millions of dollars in salaries, and advice from the most expensive public relations people that money can buy, and what have H&M concluded? “They want to be people who are looked at as people who want to change the world.”"

To me this is one of the key aspects of it all. Over a period of five years they just have not listened to any advice that has been given by professional people capable of honing and crafting their original "star power" into something tangible.

Although I do also feel that both H & M lack anything credible between them to actively promote themselves as players on the world wide stage.

But if they had actually followed just a smidgen of advice they had paid for, they would not be in this fairly desperate position they now find themselves in.

The SS rebuff to this article (from the little I've seen on TwiX and TikTok) is that Diana was also accused of bullying staff, so Meghan truly is Diana 2.0

They seem to miss the fact that Diana was described as mercurial and emotional by staff and blew hot and cold, but that she never deliberately or relentlessly bullied staff (Tiggy Legge-Bourke is a different story), and certainly never over 2 different continents and different businesses.

Surely NF pulling the series is because of this article.. I can't see why the fires would mean it couldn't go out, unless there are large chunks where she actually visits Billy Crystal's house or whatever and goes on about how lovely everything is in Pacific Palisades. Surely there would have been mention of this in the statement though.

I think more likely it's just too risky for NF to be associated with / condoning / supporting a bully. And Meghan probably really doesn't fancy whatever press she was supposed to be doing. Plus it's rumoured to be shite anyway, so they are probably glad of the chance to get it back in the edit. The idea that she asked for it to be delayed so that she could focus on the fires doesn't make much sense to me.

I forgot that Netflix ran an Ellen goodbye show recently,, so I guess they don't care what bullies get up to.

Ouch, that’s brutal. Especially when they suggest that Meghan should have called her podcast “Back to Me” as she kept interrupting her guests and talking about herself so much.

That was four years after the Buzzfeed expose though, and two years after her show ended, not right in the midst of it all. They don't know yet which way the wind will blow on this. Plus Ellen is a huge name. Unfortunately for Meghan, her wafting about in a borrowed kitchen doesn't offer NF anything like the viewing figures of Ellen's comeback show.