With Love, Meghan - criticisms and genuine concern for her mental health

[Lavenderfarmcottage]

I am probably going to be flogged for posting this and chased down the dark laneways of Mumsnet as bystanders yell “Shame Shame Shame”.

I weighed in yesterday about a thread on Meghan and her new Netflix show. I made some criticisms about the trailer and certain cliche’s in the way it was produced. Hypocritical of me to be posting this but I feel guilty and have reflected. I am actually looking forward to watching it on Netflix and my criticisms were pretty minor and not exclusive to her show - it’s a common issue I have.

Meghan has struggled with mental health because of criticism. The reaction to ‘With Love… Meghan’ has been fairly brutal.

I think it would be really good if we refrained from saying anything negative about the series or Meghan Markle. That’s not the point of this thread.

I want to know if you think the criticisms have gone too far. The Princess of Wales is not on the scene and we are protective of her rightly so. That leaves Meghan as media fodder though.

Do you think it’s time Meghan and Harry were given a break ? I do. I think we’ve been far too harsh and the criticisms have gotten out of hand.

I think we also forget the cultural relevance. If we went into the homes or Gwyneth, Julia Roberts etc and I would probably feel the divide too. American culture doesn’t apologise for wealth and hollywoood is highly competitive.

Having a confident demeanour, throwing your head back Julia Roberts style when you laugh and unapologetically selling $$$ vagina products like Gwyneth Paltrow is how it over there. People talk loudly and confidently and are polished and rehearsed especially in the
Competitive world of Hollywood…

Are we all being too hard ?

I'm sure princess Meghan won't mind me calling her princess Meghan (that's if I ever meet her!). She'll understand why I will refer to her as princess Meghan, because she married a Prince of the British Royal family. She won't take as much umbrage to it as you obviously have

I think she set out to snare Harry. I think she saw his vulnerabilities and has played on every single one. I think William got a bad vibe from her that H refused to see. One look at her friendship history and family relationships tells you who she is. I doubt any member of the RF brought up her ethnicity. I’d say it was her that banged on about it to elicit a response. The pair of them said they were stepping back from Royal duties so off they went to the USA. Thing is, she cannot bear not being upfront and centre and is now grasping at at anything she sees as a potential money-spinner. Harry has most likely served his purpose to her now. I can’t see him being the only person not to be trampled under foot once she decides he’s no longer useful

Is that your point? No one in the RF has ever said that Lillibet was QE2's nickname either.

Attacked? 😂

this is a prime example of everything I’ve said. You’ve decided something to be true and therefore it must be. I couldn’t be less angry if I tried.

Royal biographers have noted the Queen’s name as Lilibet for decades. The Queen’s grandfather called her Lilibet.

So your point is wrong.

And they would still have been accused of stealing someone's name aa charlotte is Charlotte Elizabeth Diana
So Lillibet would be Elizabeth Diana
But they can ,t win someone will take offence.

I don't think many people outside the RF would know Charlotte's middle names off the cuff. And I don't think the RF has the same attitude about recycling names. They have quite a limited range of names they can actually use, and family names are normal for them.

A lot of Meghan’s supporters would have you believe that she only has a popularity problem here in the U.K. (for whatever reason) however, it is becoming increasingly apparent that there is now, much less, if not very little support for them in the US. They seem to be figures of ridicule now, especially in the US media. A prime example is the Tim Dillon takedown of her and the show over the weekend which was absolutely brutal and the less than supportive articles in a lot of outlets.

In the RF your place in the hierarchy comes from birth order.

Catherine married the older son, Meghan the younger. Race, popularity,any other factor you want makes no difference.

I can understand not wanting any part of it. But Meghan did, at one point, want to be part of it, be a 'working royal'. I could respect a decision not to be part of that system. I can't respect choosing to be part of it and then complaining about the rules.

No one else shat on their’s though did they? No one else spouted nonsense about being secretly married already. No one else came across as ungrateful and dismissive. Not to my knowledge anyway.

I think they are the types of people, if you gave them the world they'd complain why haven't they been given the universe.

Oh here we go again, everyone who doesn't automatically join in with the pile ons must be a "Sussex supporter". 🙄
If it's not hate, what would you call a couple of posters saying stuff like "no benefit to the human race" etc?
Surely you don't think that's just normal criticism.

No umbrage - if you want to refer to someone inaccurately with a version of their name they have never used themselves fill your boots (and keep away from the threads about how wrong it is to call a woman ‘Mrs Joe Bloggs’ when she never calls herself that, because you think you know what to call someone better than they do herself)

Meghan has never referred to herself as Princess (which would have to be the short for of Princess Henry as British titles work like that. So I think its discourteous to use a name she does not use (same as posters insisting on calling her Rachel)

As an aside, Princess Firstname is used only for those who are born Princess (child of monarch of grandchild in the male line, plus baby Cambridges from birth by LP) or are specifically created one by the monarch (there are none still living of this type). Those born princesses are: Princess Alexandra, Princess Anne, Princess Beatrice, Princess Eugenie, Lady Louise, Princess Charlotte, Princess Lili

Those by marriage are the Duchess of Gloucester, The Duchess of Kent, Princess Michael of Kent, the Duchess of Edinburgh, the Princess of Wales and the Duchess of Sussex

(edit:DYAC)

I think you're being unfair here.

You've been pointed in the direction of source material for a specific point. It's not media portrayal - it's the actual footage

Look bottom line I'm sure she wouldn't mind.

If you have a problem with me calling princess Meghan, princess Meghan, well its only a gossip site.

I'll tell you what though apparently someone called her the c word you may want to busy yourself for the rest of the afternoon with educating them about the ills of calling someone a c word 😜👋

I think you might have a point. Catherine would have been working into old age.

They actually would have been better suited to swapping roles. Catherine not that fussed on fame.

Oh dear - my NY resolution should be 'Quit playing chess with the pigeons'!

With their strange 'logic', odd SPAG and their 'lols', sometimes I can't resist but it doesn't get me anywhere.

That has been deleted, so I don't know who said it.

I have also reported posts that reference that, but MNHQ have left them up. Which I think is a shame, but it's their call.

But something else being even worse does not make it anything other than discourteous to call a woman by something that is not her name and which she never uses for herself.

(I don't know what you mean by busying myself for the rest of the afternoon - is it meant as a slur? I've been dipping in an out of Royal threads since the topic began back in 2011 - I'm not new and "over invested" - just a Brit with an interest in the monarchy who chats about it from time to time)

They actually would have been better suited to swapping roles. Catherine not that fussed on fame.

Again it doesn't work like that - never has.

It also shows a fundamental lack of understanding about how royal fame differs from celebrate fame - something Meghan did seem to struggle so assume it is cultural difference.

Though now wonder if you are seriously suggesting William should have married Meghan - which would be odd -as he been married with three kids by time he knew of her existence or William should have stepped down and the line of succession not be passed on to his kids which wouldn't have really worked - we do skip around with succession when it suits us but can't see why it would suit the UK state here at all.

i think you have an over inflated view of the importance of the pair and you seem somewhat obsessed. You claim that the Queen wanted a big wedding for them and wouldn't have accepted a small one so YOU were presumably.a close confident of her majesty then ? You know no.more of what the Queen wanted or felt than I did by your argument then ?
Personally I don't know anyone in my family or extended social.circles who cared 2 hoots about the wedding . Because you are fixated on them doesn't mean.everybody else was/ is.

What? I never said the queen wanted a big wedding for them. I said the masses expected a spectacle, it was expected after William and Kate’s event. I haven’t at any point said what the queen would have wanted because I don’t know either, but as usual in arguments here, it’s pointing the finger back rather than being able to own your own shit.

@EdithWeston true, I have been. But quite frankly I can’t be arsed, after being told the archbishop said x therefore they were lying and when I looked it up myself, there was a huge grey area the haters are choosing to ignore. So it’s a waste of my time, because regardless of my views and response, it’ll be ignored because people want to see what they want to see.

That was truly appalling but I expect her supporters would still find a way to defend it or pretend it never happened.

I said the masses expected a spectacle, it was expected after William and Kate’s event.

In my bit of UK no-one was expecting anything as there had been several quiet weddings especially round second weddings and everyone in UK usually understands the difference between status between the brothers ie one will be king or at very least their kids will be - and one who get ever further down the succession.

I think media - newspapers and media abroad were hoping for a splash so they could do big coverage and sell more and make money.

There were lots off subsequent rumours the couple wanted same venue as William and red carpet which wasn't appropriate so don't think they were initially against it -but perhaps the whole organisation of it took a toll as well as clashes with traditions.

I think they had other options at least at start of process.

Indeed!

The pp upthread didn't know it, and said they wouldn't watch on principle.🤔

Now that's their prerogative,but it defies all logic to me because their argument seemed to be:

You can't criticise Meghan because you don't know her.
(Oh yes, I do - I know her by her own words and actions - and you can too if you watch this video).
I don't want to watch that video!

OK then....I suppose that way they can keep their illusions intact for a bit longer!

Crazy.

As it was Meghan's second (as far as we know) wedding the Queen would probably have been perfectly happy with a more low key ceremony. They would never have been forced into the whopper they went for.

I've watched it off the back of this thread. It isn't comfortable viewing at all. In fact it was cringe worthy, and awful! If I was that woman I'd have wanted to tell Meghan to fuck right off.