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Honeycrisp · 18/12/2024 20:43

IcedPurple · 18/12/2024 20:39

As I said above, even if Harry had stayed in Britain his security would likely have been downgraded. Simply being the monarch's son doesn't automatically mean you get taxpayer funded security. And him being a private citizen does matter as he plays no role in the life of the nation and does not have any official military honours. The Captain General of the Royal Marines is different from the CHIMPO for Better Up.

If he was so concerned about security, he would never have left his secured residence to go to live as private citizen in a foreign state.

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Yes, it's about the level of risk. Harry being the son of a monarch who also actively fought an Islamic terrorist group is obviously a relevant factor. There are no other comparable examples within the royal family. The potential would always have been there in the UK for him to receive whatever security was deemed necessary.

Agree that he's made stupid decisions, plural, when it comes to his personal security. This is a different issue to whether he's a target. One doesn't have to be arguing that the British state should fund it, and I'm not, to understand this. The fact that he's a private citizen is neither here nor there.

CathyorClaire · 18/12/2024 20:47

these are Harry’s wilderness years

He's had a fuckton of those already ☕

Shirley, they have to stop sometime 🤓

Foreigners88 · 18/12/2024 20:48

he has forever money and family here. I think he is the least we should be worried about. Also they have kids so whatever happens, it will be kinda a life, not poor one on top of this

Foreigners88 · 18/12/2024 20:49

CathyorClaire · 18/12/2024 20:47

these are Harry’s wilderness years

He's had a fuckton of those already ☕

Shirley, they have to stop sometime 🤓

I imagine a gospel singer typed the original comment

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StrawberryWasp · 18/12/2024 20:50

If he wanted his dad to continue paying his security maybe he shouldn't have shared very personal facts about him or slagged off his wife or accused him of being a racist.

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Not2identifying · 18/12/2024 20:51

I agree and also Prince Harry had a higher public profile than Andrew, Anne and Edward, in my view because of being William's only sibling but also because Diana's profile was much higher than Philip's was. Even if Harry had made no stupid decisions, I suspect he'd have always needed security and I don't think it would have been downgraded if he'd remained a working royal.

I think I'm right in saying that it was only Edward and Anne in Charles's generation ghat had it downgraded. I think Andrew had it until he stepped down, maybe because of his naval service and/or because he was the first spare in that generation. I'm speculating a bit here, can't be certain about it.

Not2identifying · 18/12/2024 20:52

I was agreeing with @Honeycrisp can't type quickly enough!

Honeycrisp · 18/12/2024 20:54

StrawberryWasp · 18/12/2024 20:50

If he wanted his dad to continue paying his security maybe he shouldn't have shared very personal facts about him or slagged off his wife or accused him of being a racist.

Yeah probably didn't help!

TinklySnail · 18/12/2024 20:59

Honeycrisp · 18/12/2024 20:43

Yes, it's about the level of risk. Harry being the son of a monarch who also actively fought an Islamic terrorist group is obviously a relevant factor. There are no other comparable examples within the royal family. The potential would always have been there in the UK for him to receive whatever security was deemed necessary.

Agree that he's made stupid decisions, plural, when it comes to his personal security. This is a different issue to whether he's a target. One doesn't have to be arguing that the British state should fund it, and I'm not, to understand this. The fact that he's a private citizen is neither here nor there.

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He does still have security in the UK. He just has to order it further in advance now.
He is still prepared to sue the Home Office (tax payer) which is not cheap for either side. That says a lot about his lack of care for Britain.

CathyorClaire · 18/12/2024 21:00

BigWillyLittleTodger · 18/12/2024 18:35

Their outgoings must be huge, not sure how long mummy’s millions will last, those 14 bathrooms won’t clean themselves, if they hadn’t bought such a ridiculous house they could have lived very comfortably but only a faux McMansion would do. I wonder how much they have to spend each year on property taxes, utilities, security staff, housekeepers, groundskeepers, drivers etc. must be eye watering and must have been a huge shock to Harry when most of the above wouldn’t have cost him a penny if they had stayed in the RF at Frogmore.

It's fine.

Papa won't see his darling boy go under however hard he has to skim UK public bodies to do it.

EdithWeston · 18/12/2024 21:00

CathyorClaire · 18/12/2024 20:47

these are Harry’s wilderness years

He's had a fuckton of those already ☕

Shirley, they have to stop sometime 🤓

Roger Roger

Honeycrisp · 18/12/2024 21:01

TinklySnail · 18/12/2024 20:59

He does still have security in the UK. He just has to order it further in advance now.
He is still prepared to sue the Home Office (tax payer) which is not cheap for either side. That says a lot about his lack of care for Britain.

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I know, the post that this subdiscussion sprang from is about his security elsewhere.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 18/12/2024 21:03

Even if Charles does dip into his own pockets William is highly unlikely to so Harry had better get used to cutting his own cloth and as RAVEC have already decided he doesn’t need full time round the clock security I don’t see why any member of the RF should pay for Harry’s life choices.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 18/12/2024 21:07

CathyorClaire · 18/12/2024 21:00

It's fine.

Papa won't see his darling boy go under however hard he has to skim UK public bodies to do it.

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You are more than likely correct! I’m not sure William will be so generous with his own or tax payers money though, half brain Harry didn’t really think that one through……

Honeycrisp · 18/12/2024 21:10

Mmm I think fair to say William will be less well disposed than the previous two sovereigns.

I really can't fathom what possessed Harry to put the Taliban stuff in the book. He just did not have to go there.

OhcantthInkofaname · 18/12/2024 21:14

So the daily mail speaks for 330,000,000 Americans?

CathyorClaire · 18/12/2024 21:17

William is highly unlikely to so

I dunno.

Willy's been happy to be seen to have an alleged sex offender with secretive connections riding shotgun more than once.

Secretly subbing and silencing a washed up bro might look like a bargain for a billionaire.

TinklySnail · 18/12/2024 21:21

Honeycrisp · 18/12/2024 21:01

I know, the post that this subdiscussion sprang from is about his security elsewhere.

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So who cares. He knew what he was doing and chose not to be a working royal.
The RF should not fund his security anywhere else.
Independence is not all sunshine and roses. You can’t just expect family to pick up the bill because you realise it costs a shed load more than you anticipated.

Honeycrisp · 18/12/2024 21:21

CathyorClaire · 18/12/2024 21:17

William is highly unlikely to so

I dunno.

Willy's been happy to be seen to have an alleged sex offender with secretive connections riding shotgun more than once.

Secretly subbing and silencing a washed up bro might look like a bargain for a billionaire.

It's not the ethics so much as the motivation. Andrew keeps schtum more than Harry, and he's not said anything disloyal to William or slagged off his wife. He damages the institution of the monarchy through stupidity rather than intent.

If it turns out that Harry has in fact shown any discretion at all and there are still some secrets he's keeping then yeah, that might change things.

Honeycrisp · 18/12/2024 21:24

TinklySnail · 18/12/2024 21:21

So who cares. He knew what he was doing and chose not to be a working royal.
The RF should not fund his security anywhere else.
Independence is not all sunshine and roses. You can’t just expect family to pick up the bill because you realise it costs a shed load more than you anticipated.

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Didn't say he could. My point was about the risk level Harry faces, which is a separate point to what he's done to increase it. I care about that enough to discuss it, and if you don't then the option is there not to quote a post about it.

CathyorClaire · 18/12/2024 21:39

If it turns out that Harry has in fact shown any discretion at all and there are still some secrets he's keeping then yeah, that might change things.

Harold's on record as saying he has enough for a second 'Waagh' and the royals wargamed the top 100 (just the top 100!) skellies they thought he might let slip from the cupboard for NF.

He's all set even with a change of shiny hat.

BasiliskStare · 18/12/2024 21:52

@Not2identifying - You see I don't think Charles owes them a penny. Harry has tens of millions in the bank from his mother , granny , great grandmas but apparently that is not for spending - for A & L - which is fine , do what you like with your own money but don't ( in my opinion ) whinge a a middle aged man your father has cut you off financially.

You both said you wanted to be financially independent - so do it. Or if you find you can't shift for yourselves cut your cloth accordingly.

Just my opinion. I think Harry has been used to not having to worry about money and M thought he could pay for everything forever and a day - and that may work out - but they have chosen

IcedPurple · 18/12/2024 21:55

Honeycrisp · 18/12/2024 21:01

I know, the post that this subdiscussion sprang from is about his security elsewhere.

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He actively chose to be elsewhere.

His purported security 'needs' are of no concern to anyone other than him.

TinklySnail · 18/12/2024 22:32

Honeycrisp · 18/12/2024 21:24

Didn't say he could. My point was about the risk level Harry faces, which is a separate point to what he's done to increase it. I care about that enough to discuss it, and if you don't then the option is there not to quote a post about it.

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I can quote whatever post I want.
I can say that Harry does not deserve anymore than he’s got. Just as you can say you care.
Harry’s risk level is depleting day by day. He’s not that special.

MrsFinkelstein · 18/12/2024 22:49

Not2identifying · 18/12/2024 20:31

@IcedPurple I agree with you about the millions made from slagging his family off. But I think Charles could be the bigger person and just pay what would have been needed if Harry had quit Royal duties but lived quietly in Windsor in a secure place. So it wouldn't be that much but it'd be something to recognise that he was born with a higher risk profile than the average person. I'm NOT saying the tax payer should pay but Charles could from his personal funds.

I'm not disagreeing with you, and I do believe Charles would have absolutely done this, and probably more.

If H&M hadn't thrown grenades into the RF. If they had stepped back quietly, just saying they no longer wanted to work as Senior Royals, but did so amicably. Not done Oprah, Finding Freedom, The Cut, Variety, The Me You Can't See, Endgame, Archetypes, Spare etc. Then Charles would probably have bought them a property wherever they wanted, they could have kept Frogmore, and probably got another UK property.

They crossed a line attacking Camilla and Catherine - Charles & William could probably have gotten over some personal, private family fall outs and arguments, but the public attacks on their wives was something I don't think (especially William) will ever be forgiven.