Andrew. Again.

[MrsLeonFarrell]

BBC News - Questions over Andrew's judgement and finances raised again
www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx26q9d42g1o

At this point I think we really have to ask when he has ever displayed good judgement. Thank goodness he isn't a working royal anymore.

Samcro H&M are a close second to Andrew and Sarah. Harry with his ongoing role in an African charity accused of horrendous atrocities, Meghan investing in companies who exploit poverty stricken women making designer bags, investing in a coffee company who buy from an area in China where Muslims are subjected to forced labour, detention camps, rapes, human rights organisations requesting western companies not to do business with the region and yet the coffee company are buying from there..

Same, same, just a little bit different.

Agreed.

There has never been a serious attempt to keep him behind the scenes despite the acres of puff assuring us it's the case 🙄

More than 'a little bit different' , I have never heard of Harry or Megan being the lead story on BBC regarding MI5 investigating money funnelled to them from a Chinese spy

It's laughable to think there is any comparison. I have just watched andrew Lownes on YouTube who is investigating the Yorks and has been for years, I knew a lot of this but there was some more that is absolutely shocking as far as backhanders, leverage from oligarchs, millions passed to not only Andrew but Sarah and the daughters and you talk of connections by harry and Meghan to companies with poor records..... The connections to dodgy people, dodgy companies, oligarchs with connections to those with appalling records means the sussexes bears no comparison to decades of appalling behaviours by the whole York family

I guess we all have different standards of what is laughable or not 😦

What I'm not getting from this thread is the shock and outrage that the late queen always took Andrew's side...or William is happy to be seen with Andrew...or charles is finding it difficult to get rid of him....don't people realise they are all in it together, they back each other, its what they do. They are taking us all for mugs and living a lifestyle we pay for. Did no one watch the dispatches program recently on ch4 about good old KC and his son? Does no one remember the laws the William got changed to protect her family and their wealth?? KCs plastic bags full of money, his close friendship with Jimmy Saville?

Are we still pretending the immunity this family receives is a good thing??

Andrew might turn out to be the scapegoat for the really awful stuff we never hear about.

This family are a

Sorry for typos, i meant the queen changing laws not William

And the missing bit at the end, well fill it in yourselves

There was a whole documentary about the King and Prince of Wales and their dodgy dealings guaranteed it didn't even scratch the surface of it. They are all as shifty as each other so they all cover one another's arses one going down could act like dominoes.

Totally agree @ssd

If ever anyone feels sorry for the royal family having to put up with Andrew and his appalling behaviour, let's just remember his mother enabled this time and time again. Charles has been left with the legacy of this and I have no sympathy whatsoever. They're all in it together

Yes the Queen can be admired for her work ethic perhaps but she was not the nation's granny, it was all about protecting their wealth and the family what ever they did. Look at how she stuck two fingers up to the nation after the car crash interview of Andrew, within days she was publicly seen with him, she chose that. Despite the outcry of what he had said in that interview

I am pleased that a light is being shone on them now like Dispatches even if nothing is going to happen, because is roots for change for another generation perhaps because I do think more and more people are waking up to the whole situation

Yes, I've often wondered if the reason Andrew hasn't been brought to heel is that he's got too much dirt on others.

I agree with this completely.

And I hope that those names are made available - either to investigators who can make a proper job of it and publish findings, or if the corruption spreads too far for that, then more widely so investigation cannot be stymied

Andrew has (I hope) no access to intelligence (in the sense of national secret information, but it might be true of brain power as well). What he does have however is some remaining influence, and that is what I suspect the Chinese were interested in. Also connections - and I don't just mean to the RF but also to the murky world of international fixers he's been swimming in.

The Chinese getting him to do stuff he must have known was wrong was (I think) a grooming tactic - seeing how far he would go. I wonder what their next tasking would have been? Fortunately the action now in exposing it is highly likely to have choked that off.

But I do wonder if this latest bout of utterly shite publicity be enough to ostracise him from all the rest of his murky network.

He is clearly open to exploitation - with reputation totally trashed and "establishment" doors shut to him, he must have been susceptible to flattery and feeling valued, and of course the possibility of cold hard cash (such as the potential for business that the Chinese referred to).

I hope that those bad actors who might be seeking agents of influence are not also circling round Harry. I don't think he is even remotely equipped to deal with it

I did point the support for A out upthread but it didn't seem to gain any traction.

I have wondered about the timing of this so close to the disgraceful Dispatches/Times revelations which now seem to have sunk without trace.

Yes, they take us for mugs but the public inexplicably seem happy to allow it even to the extent of footing the bill for their knees ups and being grateful for being allowed to watch them from behind metal barriers.

There really seems to be a collective refusal to remove the blinkers.

That immunity will stretch to meghan too though won’t it?

She’s invested in a company that pays women as little as 10p an hour for bags that cost £700 retail.

She won’t be questioned about her investment, if she believes these women are being exploited ? Asking her what her investment return is and how that relates to these women’s wages? Was she aware of how little they are paid? Does she care?

Nothing will happen…..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-14192859/women-Meghan-ethical-handbags-paid-exposed-bombshell-investigation-Mail-Sunday.html

https://archive.ph/Kdrwq

But it’s not just Andrew who screws up. What about Charles accepting huge cash donations in carrier bags? And Sophie years ago. And I think Prince Michael of Kent with a Russian in the last few years.
Is this story being used to bury bad news elsewhere 🤔?

That immunity will stretch to meghan too though won’t it?

It already has with the burying of the bullying report.

It's outrageous that whatever mess any of them make results in records being lost, sealed or deemed outside FOI.

How any one can support this secretive circus is beyond me.

The problem is... we never know. We only know the tip of the iceberg because the establishment, the media, the government cover for them when necessary. It takes dogged determination to bring anything to the public. But I do think the tide is turning, like with the Dispatches programme... the Palace had no answer to that at all, and it hit a nerve with the public.

In all my time on MN I have never seen anyone defend Andrew !

I’ve never heard anyone defend Andrew either. You can’t defend the indefensible.

But this poster seems to only direct their ire at certain Royals. Bullying and investing in businesses that exploit female workers in Africa doesn’t appear to be an issue though.

I have seen Andrew defended on threads. Not in... oh, he's a great bloke type of way, but in thinking he is hard done by, and not that bad

Tower= Beefeaters

Andrew is more of a Pizza Express kind of guy. That’s what he told us anyway 😀

Really ?
Wondering if anyone else remembers this 🤷‍♀️.

Andrew is an arrogant, unpleasant , entitled , boorish oaf and EVERY comment I have ever seen about him is a variation of the above .
For what it’s worth I don’t think he will join the family walking to church or in the walk about because the RF will not want boos ( or worse) to spoil the day.

I have no idea on the veracity of the reports but it is said that Charles has or might withdraw Andrew's invitation to Sandringham. Do hope he has the balls to do that.

In another twist to the whole sordid story, it appears Ministers ignored advice to introduce laws to criminalise foreign agents as they were advised to do so back in 2019. It's a mess.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/dec/14/advice-ignored-by-ministers-could-have-blocked-prince-andrew-spy?CMP=share_btn_url

The only comments I have seen referring to Andrew as being different to the boorish oaf we now all know him to be, are from those old enough to remember his younger years. He returned from the Falklands a supposed war hero, flying a helicopter to act as a decoy for missiles, and was welcomed back to the UK as such. He seemed to push his bored older brother Charles into the background. We've all grown up since, and learned more about their true personalities.

I meant the queen changing laws not William

Don't forget though, @ssd, that Queens Assent (as opposed to consent) was extended to cover Charles as her heir. I'd say god knows how, but it may be as simple as Charles wanted it so demanded it should happen, with the usual rolling over to follow

I genuinely don't know if this has been passed to William but would be surprised if it hasn't, and while AFAIK there's been nothing about him blanking any new regs which don't suit, that could easily be because they can't afford for another one to be revealed as a base grifter

Edited to add I agree though that it'll be interesting to see if the RF do another "two fingers to the public" with Andrew on Christmas Day

For what it’s worth I don’t think he will join the family walking to church or in the walk about because the RF will not want boos ( or worse) to spoil the day.

Those who wait in the cold at Sandringham are not the booing type towards Royalty though. I'd say they would not want to humiliate the King with such antics, even though it would be directed at Andrew. Booing would implicate the King in supporting the presence of A at the procession.

I agree @Havalona ... if you go to the extent to wear a jaunty union flag hat, wave little flags, get up at some godforsaken hour, buy bunches of flowers and toys for the children... you probably won't be into booing!