Andrew. Again.

[MrsLeonFarrell]

BBC News - Questions over Andrew's judgement and finances raised again
www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx26q9d42g1o

At this point I think we really have to ask when he has ever displayed good judgement. Thank goodness he isn't a working royal anymore.

I just find the usual comment "everyone thinks he is a twat" tends to be slightly instrumental in trying to stop conversation.

I am not necessarily referring to you, but I do think royalists find Andrew's behaviour very unsettling as it shines a light on the whole institution. And they would probably just prefer that it's brushed under the carpet. I repeat I am not directing this at you, I am talking in general.

I find the majority of H&M threads particularly recently tend to be just those that really do not like them and there isn't much in the way of those that can be bothered to post and push back

Just my opinion that's all.

Honestly has this man not learnt anything? Clearly not. Entitled, stupid, or naive? All 3 imo.

NDAs only really work when the party being bribed to shut up knows the party bribing them will have them in court to enforce it. I'm not sure H and M would think Charlie would have the heart. Maybe once he's gone.

An Act of Parliament could remove the Duke of York and Duke of Sussex titles. For the sake of the poor people of York and Sussex, this should already have happened. Prince can't be removed though - welded in by birth. We can all choose not to use it though.

I knew he wasn't the smartest, but the level of stupidity he's managed to attain is just off the charts. It's a toxic combination, being a fucking idiot and having a role in life that means people want to give you enough rope to hang yourself.

I have to think if he was known by his family (and surely he was) to be so disaster prone why was he just allowed to do all these scandalous things?

Short of sticking him in the Tower - and those days are gone - who'd be able to stop him? His late mother had famously blind eyes when it came to her allegedly favourite son, Charles has no moral authority at all, what Andrew thinks of staff/advisors is already well known, and he's hardly going to worry about what the "little people" think

Folk say "pay him enough to be happy/quiet", but besides the fact that nothing may ever be enough for his type, what would he do all day? Such an ego needs propping up, and with nobody decent left to associate with him that rather leaves the trash ... and trash he's certainly finding

Looking forward to the next RF stunt to deflect attention and get him out of the headlines though ...

Well they are both a liability. Prince Andrew probably do not purposely want to harm the Royals. He just seems a clueless and an idiot.

I often wonder why he needs money. He appears to court disaster by feigning connections, and I am sure he doesn't/didn't do that for nothing.

Is he greedy?
Is he in hock to someone (in)famous?
Is he a gambler or addict?

And so on.

I'm so puzzled by his constant chasing the dollar. There must be a real backstory, because any normal human being who had the Queen as a mother and inheritances from his granny wouldn't need a penny.

What's the story?

The trouble is that if the RF do nothing about Andrew he could well cause irreparable damage to them. He is quite clearly an entitled arrogant and unintelligent man who has been brought up in an environment where people have fawned over him all his life.

I really think that the RF should be treated as if they were civil servants (albeit very well rewarded ones) and that any dodgy behaviour should be properly investigated with access given to all official records. It is not enough to say that information has disappeared without having a thorough investigation into why it has disappeared. Trade delegation records should be open to police, M15 or other official bodies (obviously with exceptions for legitimate national security issues) for potential criminal investigations.

The first thing they could do is be open about where Andrew's funding is coming from and the fact that they aren't is leading to the conclusion that it is coming from a dodgy source.

Unfortunately I have a feeling that Andrew may not be the only one being protected by the sealing of the trade records.

Did we ever find out how much of the Giuffre settlement the queen funded?

I believe it was £15million paid by Mummy. There was word that the chalet sale would pay for some of it, but I'm not sure that is true

Your post is good @feellikeanalien I agree with all you say. What we know is like the iceberg, the bit we can see, there will be so so so much more protected, hidden and covered up by government departments, Aides, and the media because of their relationship with the royal family.

Well of course the whole idea of a Royal Family is totally insane - I mean if we were starting a new society today there is no way any sane person would vote for a Royal Family.

But there are some member who are less ojectionable than others. Personally I think William is going to shake things up a lot - I can't see him wanting the life he has for his children which is a good thing.

The most commonly suggested figure was £12 million but at no time did anyone have any evidence of what was actually paid, it was confidential. It could be more, it could be less, either way the very fact he had to pay out does not seem to affected his behaviour going forward.

The monarch could remove the lot, says the published expert legal opinion of Master Graham Zellick.

(Master Graham Zellick is a Senior Master of the Bench and former Reader, is emeritus professor of public law and former Principal of Queen Mary & Westfield College, sometime Vice-Chancellor of the University of London, a former editor of Public Law, and was Chairman of the Criminal Cases Review Commission, President of the Valuation Tribunal for England and a member of the Investigatory Powers Tribunal. He is an Honorary Fellow of Gonville & Caius College, Cambridge and of the Society for Advanced Legal Studies.)

Charles may not have the appetite for it but William might.

https://middletemplar.org.uk/to-strip-or-not-to-strip-prince-harrys-titles/

I agree. There was talk in the past of an act of parliament to be passed enabling the removal of royal titles presumably at the behest of the king and queen
Unfortunately this now seems to have gone quiet

Based on his parents Andrew could live another 30 years. I think William may well be more hardline but it is a dilemma. The more he is isolated the more he is open to dodgy deals.
Agree that there will be much more still to come out about him. I can't think of a single thing he has done in his life which has added value to the public.

People seem to forget these arnt far off individuals this is the King's brother it was the late Queens son talking about stripping titles might be obvious to us but could you do it to your own sibling? or son? It's quite difficult

in a couple of local alleged paedophile cases the men are very much supported by their family especially their mother family does mean something

Andrew needs to disappear completely really. No more Xmas walks, and move to somewhere much smaller. His odious grasping ex wife needs to keep away from Royal events and keep her head down too.

Andrew and Sarah will be trotting along in the bosom of the family to Church over Christmas, I'd put money on it.

Charles hasn't got a clue what to do with him

It will be interesting to see if he is included at the walk about after church this Christmas Day. It won't look good if he is. It made me so cross seeing him swaggering around last year , shaking hands with members of the public. I'd turn my back if he came towards me ( not that I'd be there!).

The RF star is falling slowly now isn't it? Not just because of Andy but because the rest of them are like deer in the headlights and haven't got the balls to do anything about any of their failings, trappings, extravagance, behaviour, and superiority.

He should have the decency to not be seen in public with the RF anymore, I think it would be very difficult for the family to insist he doesn't go to Christmas morning mass to their local church, and I think it will look even worse if he has to sneak in and out of a back door, however he should do the decent thing and steer clear. It is a lovely Christmas tradition for the family walking into church together and meeting their supporters and locals afterwards. Andrews presence with the rest of the family just sullys it.

i always find it interesting that on any thread about the odious PA, people try to make it sound like H&M are as bad as him.
yet on any of the 1000000 threads about H&M, PA is not allowed to be mentioned!!!
nothing H&M have done compares to the stuff PA has done.

also not all the people in sussex dislike H&M to the extent they want them to be stripped of the title.

@Samcro that's because no one disagrees that Andrew is a disgrace. I've never seen anyone defend him.
H&M as you know are far more controversial, and generate more interest/ discussion.

I have seen people defend Andrew.

As far as church, if he feels the need to go it would be very easy for him to attend a service without media publicity. Your beliefs are private, I am sure he could be given communion on his own if that is important to him. But no, he wants to be in the bosom of the family with the cameras on him. It's no time ago that Sarah and Andrew lead a royal party into church for something or other, this year I think