Andrew. Again.

[MrsLeonFarrell]

BBC News - Questions over Andrew's judgement and finances raised again
www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx26q9d42g1o

At this point I think we really have to ask when he has ever displayed good judgement. Thank goodness he isn't a working royal anymore.

And this kind of thing is why Queen Elizabeth was right about half in half out. She must have thought Andrew was safe enough still ‘in’ to be kept an eye on, when he was clearly anything but and was a danger to others and ultimately to his own reputation and the RF.

We'll never find out in our lifetime. His travel and other arrangements have been sealed for 70 or is it 90... years.

His latest trawling for money will be hidden, eventually, although I was pleased it was lead story on BBC 6 o'clock news. Quite rightly

Absolutely. He deserves to be dragged into the light. Apart from anything else putting him on the news might deter other spies or those of dubious intent from approaching his royal dimness.

I see no way half in half out would ever work for anyone.

Whilst he was a roving trade ambassador in the late eighties and nineties he took bungs to attend trade events and contract negotiations around some of the biggest defence deals in the Middle East.
He was a regular on the ambassadorial social scene on behalf of the British Government but his involvement was a lot deeper.
Unfortunately at that time certain Middle Eastern countries revered the monarchy and he was the one that was appointed to represent them.

Saying all of that, he was a useful envoy for us and his presence did actually make the difference with some contracts compared to the French or Americans.
At what cost is the question.

It used to be an arena I worked in and grew up around so saw it first hand.
He's been involved in many inquiries where he has basically been given immunity because he was the son of the monarch so this is nothing new

Andrew. Again. Sounds like me talking about my idiot exH!!

The difference, of course, is that this is unquestionably bad, and Andrew is thought of as terrible pretty much unanimously, so there's no discussion.

Whereas Harry & Meghan are not on the same level of terrible (IMO) and there's plenty of room for subjective interpretation of their actions since it's not as clear cut what's awful and what's not. You get discussion where difference of opinion exists, not consensus.

Hopefully this latest news about Andrew will encourage KC to get firm and put him out to pasture somewhere he can't do more damage.

I don't believe for a second that charles isn't funding andrew anymore. These royals stick together. And protect each other. They do whatever they can to protect each other.
Charles just knows it looks good for him to pretend he's washed his hands of Andrew.

‘The vast majority of MN posters are in agreement that Andrew is an arrogant , deeply unpleasant oaf .
if everyone is in agreement what is there to discuss ?

For some reason H and M still have supporters hence the discussions.,

He's been involved in many inquiries where he has basically been given immunity because he was the son of the monarch so this is nothing new

That is appalling. And that is why I am not a Royalist.

if everyone is in agreement what is there to discuss ?

The latest news which is actually a threat to national security? According to the government.

Not on a level of H&M. In my opinion. Try as posters might make it so.

"The Home Office said they believed H6 (chinese spy) had been engaged in covert and deceptive activity on behalf of the CCP and that his relationship with Prince Andrew could be used for political interference"

Gosh! Nearly as bad as Meghan's creased clothes! 🤣

Agree

I agree that there is plenty to say about Andrew, although maybe not much to disagree about as I don't see people wanting to defend him.

I would like to believe that no one would be stupid enough to tell Andrew anything of national importance but, if nothing else, Andrew's ability to find more money whenever he needs it shows that for some people royalty trumps sense.

As far as I know no one has found out where he got the money to avoid being kicked out of Royal Lodge, I'd be interested in that.

Me too!

Either the chinese spy blokey or his Middle East connections which his daughters have been milking lately.

Chuck him in the Tower!

Is this not the first time then, drivinmecrazy? Is Andrew known to be actually corrupt (as opposed to just greedy) in these circles and if so why didn’t the UK governments who were presumably backing these trips over the years, rein him in? Was he seen as untouchable by the UK government, as well as for court case purposes? In which case it’s an obvious thing not to let him anywhere near power and money and foreign governments. Considering the horrific things that Andrew is alleged to have been doing in his private life and now this at work, I mean WTF.

He just had always seemed so desperate for attention and to be liked and adored, really. I think that's why he ended up involved with Epstein et al. He was likely fawned over and then used. Twit.

And he's aged badly.

He needs keeping under house arrest.

I know he has an expensive lifestyle (and ex wife) to finance, but didn’t all the gc inherit from The Queen Mother and then presumably the Queen?

When he was Trade Envoy, from what I can make out, he was meant to be visiting countries and being the senior official host for delegations to the UK, at the behest of DTI and FCO (as it then was). It could have been a useful soft/influence role, by Royalling in support of commerce. And if he'd done that, no-one would have noticed or much minded side trips to golf courses in the margins.

But he does seem to have spent an extraordinarily large amount of time with an assortment of strange bedfellows (in the metaphorical sense). And may well have been very much out of his depth with Chinese interlocutors.

I suspect he wasn't listening to advice, and may have been difficult to keep on task

He's a wanker.

@EdithWeston
"I suspect he wasn't listening to advice, and may have been difficult to keep on task"

Judging by the frequency of articles quoting his "friends" that he is looking for a way back to public duties, I would say that he only hears what he wants to hear and assumed he knows best. Can't imagine how frustrating it must be to try and deal with him.

It's pretty much universally acknowledged that he's a luability and an arrogant knob. No double standards here.

Harry and Meghan did a lot of damage to the UK reputation with their lies, exaggeration, unfounded accusations of racism. It's not about the creased clothes.

Having said that, Andrew is a knob.