Andrew. Again.

[MrsLeonFarrell]

BBC News - Questions over Andrew's judgement and finances raised again
www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx26q9d42g1o

At this point I think we really have to ask when he has ever displayed good judgement. Thank goodness he isn't a working royal anymore.

This is why Harry always reminds me of Andrew, accepting incredibly valuable freebies from strangers. If the rumours about the funding for Archewell are true, they also have been accepting large sums of money from people they don't know, for their own use through their foundation..

Hopefully there will be more checks and balances put in place so the Andrews and Harrys of the Royal Family cannot get away with personally funding themselves from the contacts their Royal titles allow them.

But the interview was such telly to watch, him being tone deaf and entitled, nothing about him would surprise me anymore, he's had to put out a statement saying he never discussed anything he shouldn't. He is so easily manipulated and thick, who knows what he let slip

What disgusts me is their greed. They’re all the same. Very fortunate and not having to actually work , yet their greed and desire for influence are never ending. Sarah Ferguson is equally avaricious. One of her daughters at least very much the same, from a reported conversation I heard about through someone who was attended an event she was at.

And ? 🤷‍♀️

This is all getting too confusing when watching Black Doves at the same time 😂

I think, as with the entire concept of the Royal Family, the issue is not necessarily with them ( who, when given unlimited wealth, fawning and sycophancy, and being told they are 'special' from birth would not find it hard to behave the same way?) but often with the people who surround them. Some courtier has apparently said that Andrews money he has suddenly got to pay for his house is from 'legitimate sources' and that is enough for him not to be slapped with an unexplained wealth order, as everyone not in the Royal Family would have had. Why?
Amanda Thirsk seems to have been a complete fawning sycophant for Andrew and was unceremoniously sacked for her part in the Epstein interview, but I bet her part was just saying 'Yes Sir/No Sir/ you are so amazing Sir' as he would have wanted, and the same with this guy who said that the Chinese spy was most favoured with Andrew and his family which was in The Times article but was taken out of the BBC coverage. No due dilligence at all. This is not, as would happen with an elected Head of State, people who give advice, and would think nothing of resigning if that advice wasn't taken because they would be concerned by the impact on their reputation and their career, but people employed because they are 'yes men' who either don't care if their advice isn't followed or people who would do anything and everything to please their principal because they are in thrall to the Royals, people who are giving appalling advice based on the Royals always being right, even when they are wrong
The entire Royal Family are not held to account in any way. The authorities are not meant to be protecting them, but protecting us from them and their unearned power and influence. Yet every arm of the government seems to be falling over themselves to protect them until something goes horrendously wrong and they can no longer be protected. That's how they feel they can get away with what they do.
Re Harry, he is not the same scale in any way. He has no access to Buckingham Palace or the Royal Family. He has left and has been ostracised by his family. He openly has no influence with his family, no matter how many dodgy businessmen he schmoozes. The mistakes he makes are his own. Andrew has been kept in the fold, is clearly very much part of the family, they are openly happy to be seen with him and is completely vulnerable to people using him to exert undue influence on his family. Not doing any official Royal duties makes no difference if someone wants to find someone to get themselves an 'in' with the family and sees the stupidest and greediest member of a quite stupid and greedy family happily being driven to church with the heir to the Throne (pointedly in the front seat knowing everyone will see the pictures) and going out riding with members of the family who very much are working Royals. Harry isn't taking spies and child sex traffickers on a tour of Buckingham Palace, and has never been accused of doing so.

I remember watching a documentary with interviews from civil servants etc who were with him on his trade envoys trips around the world and all said he was worse than useless, actually lost the country money rather than increasing business and that he insisted on taking a huge unnecessary entourage with him including one staff member who he said was the only person on the planet who could iron his clothes the way he liked them.
He also refused to stay for free in ambassadors residences and specified the top and most expensive hotel to accommodate him and his staff.
Nobody could stop him because he had no one he was accountable to except the Queen who thought he could do no wrong and no one felt able to approach the Queen to complain about her favourite child.
He is a public embarrassment in every possible way and I wish the King would completely cut off his cash. However I expect he thinks that he has to maintain him both from love for his late mother and as the father of two daughters who are working for the royal family at events.

His daughters arent supposed to be working for the Royal Family at events though. They arent 'working Royals'. Staff did complain to The Late Queen about Andrew apparently. She always took his side. .

I'm so shocked after his impeccable behaviour not grooming billionaires when he was a trade envoy...not.

I have no idea what William was thinking when he allowed himself to be photographed in the car with Andrew (not when they went up to Scotland when the Queen died but the other time, a standard Sunday church visit if I recall). Nobody can convince me that William would do something he doesn't want to do just because his father ordered it so he must have been willing. Very odd.

In certain countries they would just take him out into the desert and lock him up or run him over with a truck.

That’s the first thing I thought too 😂

I watched Black Doves and thought it was all a bit camp and far fetched….maybe not!

I think his title of Duke of York should be removed.

The entire Royal Family are not held to account in any way. The authorities are not meant to be protecting them, but protecting us from them and their unearned power and influence. Yet every arm of the government seems to be falling over themselves to protect them until something goes horrendously wrong and they can no longer be protected. That's how they feel they can get away with what they do.

This

And this article linked below shows how much there is a cover up when it comes to anything to do with Andrew, or indeed any Royal. Andrew Lownes has tried incessantly to find out about the time Andrew was a special representative for trade, a public servant. The Foreign Office claimed not to know anything about it. The Department of Business and Trade know nothing.
This is why I am not a Royalist. Even government departments cover up for them.

Lownes says "I used to write about the intelligence services, and I found that was a lot easier, a lot more open and transparent than the royal family"

We really need to let that sink in.

news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-paperwork-relating-to-duke-of-yorks-past-business-dealings-has-vanished-author-claims-13269337

Andrew is utterly gross and a total liability.

I wish he could be kept out of sight somewhere and removed from all sphere of influence, but it does strike me as quite a difficult situation to deal with.

I'm not really sure how much Charles can control Andrew's behaviour - he's a grown adult with wealth of his own who isn't a working Royal. It sounds as if Charles wants Andrew to downsize and live quietly, but Andrew is clearly resisting that strongly - if the stories about him refusing to leave the royal lodge (which he has a long lease for) and clamouring to be made a working royal again are true. He obviously has no sense of shame and a huge ego and sense of entitlement, so appealing to his better nature is unlikely to be successful - I don't think he has one!

I don't know if Charles funds Andrew now in any capacity, but it's clearly not enough for the extravagant lifestyle Andrew believes he should be living. But should Charles give in and increase his funding or bring him back into the fold to try and stop Andrew being such a liability? Personally I don't think so - i doubt anything would stop him and he'd just be given an even greater profile to merchandise. Plus he's an utter disgrace who should never ever be allowed to officially represent this country again.

I'd love to see the government take action against him though, if they have proof he's broken the law. I think official action is the only chance of him facing any consequences, as it seems to me the RF are between a rock and a hard place on the Andrew problem.

He's an absolute liability and he will not be constrained due to his overwhelming sense of entitlement. I'm not sure where Charles goes from here tbh. He's cut off his funding, which he clearly hoped would mean Andrew would leave Royal Lodge quietly and move into Frogmore Cottage, but that didn't work. No one seems to know yet exactly who or what is funding his ability to stay there, but you can bet it's some dodgy deal with an Arab sheikh or a Chinese consortium or some kind of cash-for-access scandal-in-the-making.

But should Charles give in and increase his funding or bring him back into the fold to try and stop Andrew being such a liability?

For people like Andrew no amount of money is ever enough. In fact that applies to all of them.

Hardly a surprise from such a creature is it?

I said, when the Epstein funding dried up with his death, that he'd knoww plenty of others to fill the gap and so it's proved - basically beecause scum finds scum

No one seems to know yet exactly who or what is funding his ability to stay

I'd bet a fair amount that it's Charles himself who's picking up the bills, @cheezncrackers, for fear of Andrew writing his own tell-all book, and the "Charles wants him to move out" could easily be PR fluff to distance himself from a situation which in reality he can't risk doing anything about

I said, when the Epstein funding dried up with his death, that he'd know plenty of others to fill the gap and so it's proved - basically because scum finds scum

He's just ripe for the picking. There are many countries out there seeking to find ways to infiltrate and gain access and influence in the UK. And they see Andrew for what he is - thick, greedy and hugely susceptible to flattery. He's out in the cold, unprotected, short of money and desperate for it, so he's an easy mark. Charles would do well to keep Andrew close, if only to stop him being such a fucking liability. I'm not sure how he does that, but he and his army of flunkies need to figure it out asap.

I'd bet a fair amount that it's Charles himself who's picking up the bills, for fear of Andrew writing his own tell-all book

Maybe! The press have been digging around desperately trying to figure this out. And so maybe it IS Charles and that's why it's so secret.

I get posters points about KC being unable to control him but I think his fear with A, is like H&M he will try and sell out the family. He’s a greedy and desperate man, he would do it. Especially now that the Queen has gone.

I think that’s why A has gotten away with his entitled behaviour for so long. BUT to me this feels different. MI5 are investigating the money he received from the Chinese and I hope the police are investigating him too. A doesn’t have leverage anymore, he’s beyond the pale and no one will be buying what he’s probably thinks he could sell.

Charles needs to kick him out of Windsor, banished. A is also propped up by his friends in high places- so KC needs to make sure they’re cut off too if they deal with him. KC also needs to make sure the princesses understand that if they are to be included in family events, they understand A won’t be. Andrew is an absolute fucking idiot, that has caused no end of embarrassment for the family and the UK for decades.

Charles would do well to keep Andrew close, if only to stop him being such a fucking liability. I'm not sure how he does that, but he and his army of flunkies need to figure it out asap

I edited my PP to consider that, @cheezncrackers, bearing in mind that IMO Charles is unlikely to care what's done just so long as it doesn't reflect on him

I've always thought Andrew to be very arrogant but not to bright.

They're all rotten to the core, every single one, some or better at hiding it granted or have better PR.

In the circumstances how could you not think you're better than anyone else and can do what you want. Being brought up as royalty and all it entails sets you apart from accountability which the majority learn the consequences of quickly.

I also think Charles is probably funding Andrew now but it is all so distasteful. If Charles was going to fund him to keep him quiet he shouldn't have let it be leaked that he would have to leave his house if he couldn't maintain it as now everyone is wondering where the money is coming from.

To be honest I get why he is funding him to shut him up - as with a lot of what is currently wrong in the RF it goes back to the Queen. The Andrew situation and the departure of H&M should have been handled totally differently.