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Harry not honouring Tyler Perry. Why?

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Sunblessed · 26/11/2024 14:00

Way back in July, it was announced that Harry and Meghan are tribute chairs for Tyler Perry and the award he will receive at the Paley honours Gala on December 4th. See

https://people.com/meghan-markle-prince-harry-celebrate-tyler-perry-paley-honor-8679521

Now we are told, even though Tyler has helped his family over the years and is his daughter’s godfather, that Harry won’t be attending the gala even though he is on the hosting committee. Instead Meghan will be on her own? See

https://people.com/meghan-markle-prince-harry-attend-events-on-same-day-next-week-but-on-different-coasts-8751500

Why? It makes no sense. I understand that their work takes them different places but this is something they are both involved in. Harry is off to a book conference that just so happens to be on the 4th December, all the way in NY.

He was a chair of the committee and he doesn’t bother to show up? That’s really poor taste, for a man that has done so much for him.

It’s also just adding unnecessary fuel to fire that all is not well with their marriage. This is an event that they should be doing together, instead Meghan will be left to the red carpet on her own. If he didn’t want to be part of it, why did he join the hosting committee, if he never intended to host?

Meghan Markle and Prince Harry Are Celebrating Their Daughter's Godfather Tyler Perry with Special Honor

Tyler Perry will be feted at the Paley Honors gala, with friends Meghan Markle and Prince Harry among the star-studded list of tribute chairs.

https://people.com/meghan-markle-prince-harry-celebrate-tyler-perry-paley-honor-8679521

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WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout · 29/11/2024 11:47

Don’t be silly everyone. H& M are winning at life 😜

GiveMeSpanakopita · 29/11/2024 11:52

Oooh the other piece of gossip I heard this week is that Netflix is beyond pissed off at what H&M submitted for Polo because they thought Harry was going to be in it. They're not happy that the star of the show is Nacho Figueras because they don't think he's relatable or accessible enough to an American audience.

The Invictus documentary was one of NF's most poorly performing shows so they had high expectations for Polo, and apparently aren't very happy with what they've got.

Rhaidimiddim · 29/11/2024 12:12

GiveMeSpanakopita · 29/11/2024 10:44

US celebs, especially those who sell product online, ABSOLUTELY use Thanksgiving as a key time to promote their brand and sell product. Don't forget that straight after Thanksgiving comes Black Friday. This is a HUGE time for anyone with any semblance of an online brand.

Rihanna, Gwyneth, Bey, Kim, Kylie, Chiara, Selena, Zach, Khaby....they ALL post season content around Thanksgiving and they ALL promote heavily for Black Friday.

Meghan should ABSOLUTELY been using these two days to post family content, pro family messaging, and sell ARO products. I cannot overstate what a missed own goal this is for anyone starting up an online brand. It would be like Nigella or Jamie ignoring Christmas, not putting out any seasonal content or recipes. Sheer commercial madness.

@Thedom that's a pretty good summary of where they are rn. As I've said previously I work in PR and H+M really are a fascinating and highly instructive story of brand destruction. I have no doubt it's being taught in comms courses across US colleges rn. To go from having Netflix and Dior in the palm of their hand to promoting box hair dye and neck tattoos is about as sublime to the ridiculous as it's possible to get. I do genuinely wonder if there's something that's happened behind the scenes to get them blackballed in the industry, as that's the only thing that I can think of that would have made the fall-off this bad. OK I know they come across as silly and self-absorbed and have made many missteps but even so the fall-off does seem slightly disproportionate.

The only thing I can think is that the RF has a lot more soft power in Cali than I'd previously appreciated. I suppose that would make sense. It was so, so stupid of them to burn that bridge. They could've kept it cute and friendly and they would probably have been fine.

@GiveMeSpanakopita
You say "The only thing I can think of is the RF has a lot more soft power in Cali..."

Do you think it possible that their own behaviour could be responsible? We've seen H and M act rude/entitled/crazy in public situations. If they behave even half as badly in private as we see them do in public, surely that would be enough to make people want to put personal and professional distance in place?

GiveMeSpanakopita · 29/11/2024 12:26

Rhaidimiddim · 29/11/2024 12:12

@GiveMeSpanakopita
You say "The only thing I can think of is the RF has a lot more soft power in Cali..."

Do you think it possible that their own behaviour could be responsible? We've seen H and M act rude/entitled/crazy in public situations. If they behave even half as badly in private as we see them do in public, surely that would be enough to make people want to put personal and professional distance in place?

Like I say, I do wonder if they've been blackballed. This definitely is a 'thing' in Hollywoodland if a celeb becomes so difficult to work with that they essentially become unprofitable. I've posted before about the hidden premium Hollywood and Cali place on celebs being professional and easy to work with. That's because celebs who are difficult, throw tantrums, go back on commitments or are generally off their game, lose money for producers because so much time is spent compensating for their failings - and time really is money.

The cliche of the prima donna starlet is actually a hangover from the old 'studio system' of 'Old Hollywood' - when stars basically signed up with studios and were paid a salary for however many years - diva behaviour was thus less disruptive to the schedule and could be tolerated. These days though, everything is funded and budgeted on a fixed time fixed cost basis, so if the star of your movie has, say, a drug problem and fails to turn up on set 3 days in a row, that pushes you overbudget, and that's a bad, bad thing.

A recent example of a blackballed celeb would be Kanye West - he went from being everywhere to being nowhere because his behaviour had just got too weird and unpredictable.

So yes, I do wonder whether something's going on with either H or M, or both of them, that have led them to be blackballed because they're just too unpredictable to work with, or consistently fail to deliver the goods. This theory would fit with the fact that they can't seem to keep any good staff or advisers, and this is now very apparent as they both, visibly, lack a stylist or a good PR manager. It does almost make me wonder if the money's run out - the stylist is usually the VERY LAST cost to be axed from the books for most celebs.

It's all very strange to me, very weird. Why is Meghan being photographed for such low grade products? Why are she & Harry not using a stylist anymore?

Or it could just be, as I said, that the RF have made it known behind the scenes that US celebs have to choose between being on good terms with the RF or on good terms with H&M. There aren't many savvy celebs or advisers who would hesitate over that choice; it's pretty damn binary.

Rhaidimiddim · 29/11/2024 12:37

@GiveMeSpanakopita

Thanks (and sorry if my previous post sounded a bit confrontational - doing two things at once).

I offer as exhibit (i) Amal Clooney, who was originally very supportive of H & M.

Then M leaked details of the layout of their houses in Sonning and Italy to Scobie, who published them in Endgames.

And badgered George to put out supportive words several times whenM got criticised in the Press.

And then this:

https://radaronline.com/photos/amal-clooney-obsessed-meghan-markle-close-friends-duchess-sussex-prince-harry-george-clooney/

“Amal Clooney is obsessed with Meghan.... (s)he does everything she can to spend time with her and keep in touch with her.”

And this is just the public behaviour - who knows how she treated Amal and George in private.

Given that Amal probably has her eye on a seat in the House of Lords, she certainly won't want to anger the RF; but even without that consideration, I can fully understand why Amal decided to distance herself from this sort of weird behaviour - who knows what M would do next?

Many she mixed with in Hollywood must feel the same.

//Amal Clooney Obsessed With Meghan Markle pp

The Lawyer And The Duchess: Amal Clooney Is ‘Obsessed’ With Meghan Markle

Amal Clooney is ‘obsessed’ with Meghan Markle and has formed a super tight bond with the Duchess, RadarOnline.com exclusively learned.

https://radaronline.com/photos/amal-clooney-obsessed-meghan-markle-close-friends-duchess-sussex-prince-harry-george-clooney

MrsLeonFarrell · 29/11/2024 12:50

I have always thought that where they went wrong was speaking about private family matters in public. One interview would probably have been fine but several interviews, books and a documentary were overkill.

Celebrities want to create great public images, why would they hang out with people who have shown they are more than willing to focus on the negative and breach other people's privacy. Harry and Meghan don't have enough to offer the Hollywood snake pit to make the risk of hanging out with them and seeing your private stuff in the media worth it.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 29/11/2024 12:53

Rhaidimiddim · 29/11/2024 12:37

@GiveMeSpanakopita

Thanks (and sorry if my previous post sounded a bit confrontational - doing two things at once).

I offer as exhibit (i) Amal Clooney, who was originally very supportive of H & M.

Then M leaked details of the layout of their houses in Sonning and Italy to Scobie, who published them in Endgames.

And badgered George to put out supportive words several times whenM got criticised in the Press.

And then this:

https://radaronline.com/photos/amal-clooney-obsessed-meghan-markle-close-friends-duchess-sussex-prince-harry-george-clooney/

“Amal Clooney is obsessed with Meghan.... (s)he does everything she can to spend time with her and keep in touch with her.”

And this is just the public behaviour - who knows how she treated Amal and George in private.

Given that Amal probably has her eye on a seat in the House of Lords, she certainly won't want to anger the RF; but even without that consideration, I can fully understand why Amal decided to distance herself from this sort of weird behaviour - who knows what M would do next?

Many she mixed with in Hollywood must feel the same.

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You didn't sound confrontational. I like straight talking!

I didn't know this about Amal Clooney but reading your post did remind me of something else about Hollywood A-listers, which is that they're very cliquey and paranoid. They naturally don't want to hang around anyone who might leak stuff about them to the media. So they are very wary of outsiders. Most famous people ascend to the A list after years of networking, career success, working hard and kissing arse, so they have already proved themselves trustworthy before being admitted to the stratosphere of global elite celebrity. (Incidentally this is why you will never find a British celeb with a single good thing to say about Gary Lineker - because in the 2000s he ALLEGEDLY went thru a period of leaking stories about fellow celebs' marriage troubles and drugs issues to the tabloids, in return for which the tabs obligingly refrained from reporting certain alleged things about Our Gaz that might have been newsworthy.)

Meghan, if the rumours are to be believed (I'm personally agnostic but the rumour I'm about to repeat has been around for a long time), has form for leaking. The primary reason William tried to warn Harry off her is because on her first visit to William and Kate a member of staff caught Meghan taking surreptitious pics on her phone of the various rooms in their house. So that could be why A listers don't seem to want her around.

Whether it's just bad business decisions or a lack of trust, or something else, something's happened to make them persona non grata (personae non gratae? whatever lol)

CustardCreams2 · 29/11/2024 12:56

I also don’t believe for a second that Kate would’ve ever said something even remotely racist. She has always been too well behaved and boring to do that. Neither do I think Charles is racist. He does a lot of charity work and is known to be a good person.

Throwing around defamatory unsubstantiated claims about the RF just made H&M look tacky, classless, dishonest and grabby. Hollywood has wised up to the fact that arn’t the people to be seen with.

Thedom · 29/11/2024 12:58

@GiveMeSpanakopita from a PR background it can only be fascinating to interpret how they operate.

I think the blackballing is from the general public, rather than from the industry they are trying break into. Their biggest misstep was doing Oprah, Netflix and Spare, I don't think they can ever recover from what they said publicly about Harry's family, believing that could to be their launchpad was a terrible blunder. I think if they had established themselves first, it might not have backfired in the totality it has done.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 29/11/2024 13:06

CustardCreams2 · 29/11/2024 12:56

I also don’t believe for a second that Kate would’ve ever said something even remotely racist. She has always been too well behaved and boring to do that. Neither do I think Charles is racist. He does a lot of charity work and is known to be a good person.

Throwing around defamatory unsubstantiated claims about the RF just made H&M look tacky, classless, dishonest and grabby. Hollywood has wised up to the fact that arn’t the people to be seen with.

It wasn't Kate, it was Camilla, and it was at the tail end of a very long and boozy lunch Harry had with her and Charles. A throwaway comment at the tail end of a series of jokes and banter about the potential genetic combinations of the offspring of a redhead and a Woman of Colour. Most of the banter was done by Harry making fun of himself (he's oddly sensitive about being ginger, as those who've read his book will know). It was a loving and light family lunch and all comments were CLEARLY not in any kind of malicious context.

Harry then went home half cut and recounted some of the jokes to Meghan, but either he didn't explain them very well or he misremembered them but she took it badly and kicked off. But she wasn't present at the lunch - you may remember in the Oprah interview how they had to awkwardly clarify the fact that she wasn't there.

@Thedom I don't think Oprah or Netflix were bad per se I just think the decision to make it all about race and alleged bullying and abuse was very stupid and short sighted. They should've gone quiet for a year and popped up with some proper content that could provide longterm sustainable value. They did it all too fast and too unconsidered.

The book, can't disagree with you there, terrible idea. The fact is that Harry is just not that interesting a person, a fact of which he is acutely semi-aware (but he blames it all on being the Spare, rather than the fact that he's just coasted through life never bothering to gain self-awareness or a personality beyond braying toff. Unlike his brother who has done a LOT of introspection and therapeutic work and is visibly a better man for it). A boring privileged person can't really sustain an interesting autobiography which is why poor Moehringer had to pack it full of complaints and penis jokes to meet the word count.

Thedom · 29/11/2024 13:17

From what Harry said, the so called 'racist' comment happened years before he even told Meghan, he said it was before the engagement, she said he told it to her during her first pregnancy. This was one of the big standout inconsistencies of the Oprah interview. The boozy lunch story sounds interesting, that is the first time I have heard that version of what happened.

IcedPurple · 29/11/2024 13:20

GiveMeSpanakopita · 29/11/2024 12:26

Like I say, I do wonder if they've been blackballed. This definitely is a 'thing' in Hollywoodland if a celeb becomes so difficult to work with that they essentially become unprofitable. I've posted before about the hidden premium Hollywood and Cali place on celebs being professional and easy to work with. That's because celebs who are difficult, throw tantrums, go back on commitments or are generally off their game, lose money for producers because so much time is spent compensating for their failings - and time really is money.

The cliche of the prima donna starlet is actually a hangover from the old 'studio system' of 'Old Hollywood' - when stars basically signed up with studios and were paid a salary for however many years - diva behaviour was thus less disruptive to the schedule and could be tolerated. These days though, everything is funded and budgeted on a fixed time fixed cost basis, so if the star of your movie has, say, a drug problem and fails to turn up on set 3 days in a row, that pushes you overbudget, and that's a bad, bad thing.

A recent example of a blackballed celeb would be Kanye West - he went from being everywhere to being nowhere because his behaviour had just got too weird and unpredictable.

So yes, I do wonder whether something's going on with either H or M, or both of them, that have led them to be blackballed because they're just too unpredictable to work with, or consistently fail to deliver the goods. This theory would fit with the fact that they can't seem to keep any good staff or advisers, and this is now very apparent as they both, visibly, lack a stylist or a good PR manager. It does almost make me wonder if the money's run out - the stylist is usually the VERY LAST cost to be axed from the books for most celebs.

It's all very strange to me, very weird. Why is Meghan being photographed for such low grade products? Why are she & Harry not using a stylist anymore?

Or it could just be, as I said, that the RF have made it known behind the scenes that US celebs have to choose between being on good terms with the RF or on good terms with H&M. There aren't many savvy celebs or advisers who would hesitate over that choice; it's pretty damn binary.

Or it could just be, as I said, that the RF have made it known behind the scenes that US celebs have to choose between being on good terms with the RF or on good terms with H&M.

I can't see any of the senior royals doing that. It would be bound to leak, which would make them look tacky, petty and vindictive, and besides I think they would prefer to have Harry and Meghan settled into some sort of lucrative career in California, as this would make them less likely to feel the need to use their faded royal connections as some sort of money making tool.

I agree that their disloyalty and lack of discretion will definitely make A listers wary of dealing with them. More than that though, what really do they have to offer? Their USP was being royal, but that's a thing of the past. Sure, they're royal in the sense of having titles and he is still the King's son, but that's not very interesting in itself. She was a TV actress with a limited degree of success, but so were any number of people. They're both in their 40s now, so no longer young and fresh. Except when peddling royal dirt, they've failed to deliver on their lucrative media projects. What really do they have to offer now?

Sunblessed · 29/11/2024 13:24

Said she would do it.

I could see the build up, with the thanksgiving for the Afghan ladies etc. I knew she would use thanksgiving to put out a message. It’s all part of the lifestyle brand she’s promoting

https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/732894/meghan-markle-excited-for-thanksgiving-exclusive/?viewas=amp

but a few interesting bits

"Meghan is figuring out what's next and very focused on career opportunities. There has been some turnover and rethinking some of her projects. Things are always in flux and she wants to make sure everything is done the way she wants it. She's a perfectionist and particular.

Four years and millions and millions later and she’s figuring out career opportunities?

Also the whole article is very Meghan centred. About how she loves to cook and how they will be celebrating thanksgiving. Harry is barely mentioned. It’s very much Meghan only PR

Meghan Markle 'excited' for Thanksgiving after 'stressful' few months - exclusive

The Sussexes are celebrating the holidays in Montecito

https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/732894/meghan-markle-excited-for-thanksgiving-exclusive?viewas=amp

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LaMarschallin · 29/11/2024 13:31
Season 6 Teeth GIF by Friends

Gosh! What an Ultrabrite smile 😁

Sharing Thanksgiving with "friends who are like family".
Ah well. Bit of a dearth of family who are like friends.

gramachroi · 29/11/2024 13:54

Rhaidimiddim · 29/11/2024 12:12

@GiveMeSpanakopita
You say "The only thing I can think of is the RF has a lot more soft power in Cali..."

Do you think it possible that their own behaviour could be responsible? We've seen H and M act rude/entitled/crazy in public situations. If they behave even half as badly in private as we see them do in public, surely that would be enough to make people want to put personal and professional distance in place?

Yes this is what it is all about - consistent and repeated bad/bullying treatment of friends, family and colleagues reported over decades and on both sides of the Atlantic by both of them.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 29/11/2024 13:55

IcedPurple · 29/11/2024 13:20

Or it could just be, as I said, that the RF have made it known behind the scenes that US celebs have to choose between being on good terms with the RF or on good terms with H&M.

I can't see any of the senior royals doing that. It would be bound to leak, which would make them look tacky, petty and vindictive, and besides I think they would prefer to have Harry and Meghan settled into some sort of lucrative career in California, as this would make them less likely to feel the need to use their faded royal connections as some sort of money making tool.

I agree that their disloyalty and lack of discretion will definitely make A listers wary of dealing with them. More than that though, what really do they have to offer? Their USP was being royal, but that's a thing of the past. Sure, they're royal in the sense of having titles and he is still the King's son, but that's not very interesting in itself. She was a TV actress with a limited degree of success, but so were any number of people. They're both in their 40s now, so no longer young and fresh. Except when peddling royal dirt, they've failed to deliver on their lucrative media projects. What really do they have to offer now?

I can't see any of the senior royals doing that. It would be bound to leak, which would make them look tacky, petty and vindictive, and besides I think they would prefer to have Harry and Meghan settled into some sort of lucrative career in California, as this would make them less likely to feel the need to use their faded royal connections as some sort of money making tool.

They wouldn't do it themselves lol, I don't think Charles is furiously whatsapping Oprah or Barack, lol. At that level of importance, you can make your feelings known whilst keeping about 148 degrees of separation from yourself and the other party.

My personal view is that Hollywood collective wisdom has decided that it's either the RF or H&M. Both is impossible. Whether that's due to a cocked eyebrow from one of the famed grey suits, or just the wisdom of the collective hollywood hive mind, that's what's been concluded, I reckon, and that's why I think they're blackballed.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 29/11/2024 13:58

Sunblessed · 29/11/2024 13:24

Said she would do it.

I could see the build up, with the thanksgiving for the Afghan ladies etc. I knew she would use thanksgiving to put out a message. It’s all part of the lifestyle brand she’s promoting

https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/732894/meghan-markle-excited-for-thanksgiving-exclusive/?viewas=amp

but a few interesting bits

"Meghan is figuring out what's next and very focused on career opportunities. There has been some turnover and rethinking some of her projects. Things are always in flux and she wants to make sure everything is done the way she wants it. She's a perfectionist and particular.

Four years and millions and millions later and she’s figuring out career opportunities?

Also the whole article is very Meghan centred. About how she loves to cook and how they will be celebrating thanksgiving. Harry is barely mentioned. It’s very much Meghan only PR

"Meghan is figuring out what's next and very focused on career opportunities. There has been some turnover and rethinking some of her projects. Things are always in flux and she wants to make sure everything is done the way she wants it. She's a perfectionist and particular."

Oh lololol. This is beautiful PR speak for 'My client is at a loss and hasn't a scoobie about what to do next cos there are no job offers. Help!'

I've definitely written a few 'shit shining' press statements like this myself but this really is a classic of the genre.

smilesy · 29/11/2024 14:00

Things are always in flux and she wants to make sure everything is done the way she wants it. She's a perfectionist and particular.

Apart from when it comes to making sure a business name is trademarked or that her clothes are not a crumpled mess or still
sporting a price tag…

Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/11/2024 14:13

It's not a "rumour" that Meghan leaks, @GiveMeSpanakopita - in her case against ANL even Justice Warby made it quite clear that he knew where Scobie and the media were getting their reports from

The following are quoted from Tatler (bolding mine):

Mr Justice Warby also stated yesterday that those on both sides of the legal battle ‘have demonstrated an eagerness to play out the merits of their dispute in public, outside the courtroom, and primarily in media reports’. He added that there was evidence suggesting that the Duchess’s side ‘have been energetically briefing the media about these proceedings from the outset’

Before her witness statement was made public this week, details were posted to Twitter by Omid Scobie, co-author of the biography Finding Freedom: Harry and Meghan and the Making of A Modern Family, which is due for publication next week. The judge stated that it was ‘accompanied by a quotation attributed to “a close source” criticising the Mail for wishing to ‘target five innocent women through the pages of its newspapers and its website’, adding ‘Mr Scobie then tweeted the passage from the witness statement that I have quoted above. The inference invited is that he had been provided with a copy by representatives of the claimant. This seems very likely'

DurinsBane · 29/11/2024 14:16

Tyler Perrry, that’s the guy who does the American version of ‘Mrs Brown’ isn’t it?

IcedPurple · 29/11/2024 14:17

They wouldn't do it themselves lol, I don't think Charles is furiously whatsapping Oprah or Barack, lol. At that level of importance, you can make your feelings known whilst keeping about 148 degrees of separation from yourself and the other party.

My personal view is that Hollywood collective wisdom has decided that it's either the RF or H&M. Both is impossible. Whether that's due to a cocked eyebrow from one of the famed grey suits, or just the wisdom of the collective hollywood hive mind, that's what's been concluded, I reckon, and that's why I think they're blackballed.

I'm not sure.

Like I say, I think Charles would prefer them to be successful for something other than slagging off the royals. His personal feelings for his son aside, and I do think Charles still loves Harry, he has nothing to gain from having the Sussexes at a loose end.

As for them being 'blackballed', maybe, but I don't think it's necessary in the sense that they haven't actually produced anything. I think if they were making money for people, Hollywood would put up with their obnoxious behaviour to at least some extent. But the only thing they've done which has been a commercial success has involved selling royal gossip. That well has run dry, and they have nothing else to offer.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 29/11/2024 14:25

DurinsBane · 29/11/2024 14:16

Tyler Perrry, that’s the guy who does the American version of ‘Mrs Brown’ isn’t it?

He's the guy that does the Madea series, which many Black feminists have heavily criticised for misogynoir.

Perry himself says that Madea is an homage to the female elders of his family. Many Black feminists are unconvinced.

This piece from an academic journal gives quite a balanced view of the views on either side:

https://rscj.newark.rutgers.edu/rdcjn/rdcjn-publications/recent-article/empowerment-or-dispowerment-the-portrayal-of-black-women-in-tyler-perrys-films/

Empowerment or Dispowerment? The Portrayal of Black Women in Tyler Perry’s Films

https://rscj.newark.rutgers.edu/rdcjn/rdcjn-publications/recent-article/empowerment-or-dispowerment-the-portrayal-of-black-women-in-tyler-perrys-films

GiveMeSpanakopita · 29/11/2024 14:33

IcedPurple · 29/11/2024 14:17

They wouldn't do it themselves lol, I don't think Charles is furiously whatsapping Oprah or Barack, lol. At that level of importance, you can make your feelings known whilst keeping about 148 degrees of separation from yourself and the other party.

My personal view is that Hollywood collective wisdom has decided that it's either the RF or H&M. Both is impossible. Whether that's due to a cocked eyebrow from one of the famed grey suits, or just the wisdom of the collective hollywood hive mind, that's what's been concluded, I reckon, and that's why I think they're blackballed.

I'm not sure.

Like I say, I think Charles would prefer them to be successful for something other than slagging off the royals. His personal feelings for his son aside, and I do think Charles still loves Harry, he has nothing to gain from having the Sussexes at a loose end.

As for them being 'blackballed', maybe, but I don't think it's necessary in the sense that they haven't actually produced anything. I think if they were making money for people, Hollywood would put up with their obnoxious behaviour to at least some extent. But the only thing they've done which has been a commercial success has involved selling royal gossip. That well has run dry, and they have nothing else to offer.

Edited

Oh I agree, you could well be right. It could really be that simple. I think I may be overthinking things in my search for answers, because as I say I have never seen such a precipitous reputational fall-off in such a short space of time. Most celebs take at least a decade to thoroughly trash their own rep - I'm thinking Mel Gibson, Whitney Houston for example. Or they take a sudden dip (think Hugh Grant with Divine Brown) and then bob up a few years later, restored. Or they never recover, but are still thought of with a certain amount of respect and fondness, and still have a legacy (think Kevin Costner after Waterworld).

I suppose the difference with someone like Whitney is that she had a tremendous amount of public goodwill in the tank due to her showstopping gift. I always tell my clients to think of their reputation like cash in the bank - if it's strong enough you can live off the interest, you can withdraw a bit as long as you replenish it, if you make a mistake it's like taking out a loan against an asset (your reputation) but as long as you repay the loan quickly, your asset doesn't have to be permanently depleted.

Using this analogy, H&M maybe didn't start out with as much cash/assets in the bank as they thought they had. They ran it down, and borrowed and borrowed against it and now there's nothing left, and the bank manager's leaving arsey messages on your voicemail.

gramachroi · 29/11/2024 15:19

IcedPurple · 29/11/2024 14:17

They wouldn't do it themselves lol, I don't think Charles is furiously whatsapping Oprah or Barack, lol. At that level of importance, you can make your feelings known whilst keeping about 148 degrees of separation from yourself and the other party.

My personal view is that Hollywood collective wisdom has decided that it's either the RF or H&M. Both is impossible. Whether that's due to a cocked eyebrow from one of the famed grey suits, or just the wisdom of the collective hollywood hive mind, that's what's been concluded, I reckon, and that's why I think they're blackballed.

I'm not sure.

Like I say, I think Charles would prefer them to be successful for something other than slagging off the royals. His personal feelings for his son aside, and I do think Charles still loves Harry, he has nothing to gain from having the Sussexes at a loose end.

As for them being 'blackballed', maybe, but I don't think it's necessary in the sense that they haven't actually produced anything. I think if they were making money for people, Hollywood would put up with their obnoxious behaviour to at least some extent. But the only thing they've done which has been a commercial success has involved selling royal gossip. That well has run dry, and they have nothing else to offer.

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But the only thing they've done which has been a commercial success has involved selling royal gossip. That well has run dry, and they have nothing else to offer.

I disagree. I believe PH's well has run dry - and that he now potentially wants a reconciliation with his Dad on an emotional level rather than a BRF level. I dont think he will spill more.

However MM has kept her powder dry and her words and insight as an outsider with zero to lose could be powerful. She has hinted / goaded at this a few times in interviews.......and this is the only reason OW / TP are keeping her close - because they want a slice of that lucrative pie. I think she would wait to do this after / if she separated from PH. But the Hollywood sharks play the long game - she is only a commodity / pawn for them to make more cash....an investment strategy - a potential revenue stream.

Sunblessed · 29/11/2024 15:24

Really enjoying reading these posts, lots of interesting insights.

Makes a change from the bun fights on the royal threads in recent weeks

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