Harry not honouring Tyler Perry. Why?

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Way back in July, it was announced that Harry and Meghan are tribute chairs for Tyler Perry and the award he will receive at the Paley honours Gala on December 4th. See

https://people.com/meghan-markle-prince-harry-celebrate-tyler-perry-paley-honor-8679521

Now we are told, even though Tyler has helped his family over the years and is his daughter’s godfather, that Harry won’t be attending the gala even though he is on the hosting committee. Instead Meghan will be on her own? See

https://people.com/meghan-markle-prince-harry-attend-events-on-same-day-next-week-but-on-different-coasts-8751500

Why? It makes no sense. I understand that their work takes them different places but this is something they are both involved in. Harry is off to a book conference that just so happens to be on the 4th December, all the way in NY.

He was a chair of the committee and he doesn’t bother to show up? That’s really poor taste, for a man that has done so much for him.

It’s also just adding unnecessary fuel to fire that all is not well with their marriage. This is an event that they should be doing together, instead Meghan will be left to the red carpet on her own. If he didn’t want to be part of it, why did he join the hosting committee, if he never intended to host?

Some suggest M was essentially extradited after repeatedly refusing to meet with the Late Queen after they came back from their hiatus in Canada.

Some suggest it was (or was also) what was said about her at the Sandringham summit, which H refused to believe was true.

It must have been something of this magnitude and sensitivity, though, for H to bear such a grudge and to refuse publicly to say what it was.

@GiveMeSpanakopita I would love to hear more about your work rescuing dogs as well. I am also a dog lover.

Are you sure on that one Serenster?
According to Tom Bower it was Cem Uzan who - brokered by the appalling Fawcett - paid £200k for his wife to sit with Charles, and while I'm not keen on unattributed stories he does have a reputation for pretty good research

I'm fully prepared to be wrong here, but if this is correct there'll certainly be others

I'm pretty sure the quote was from an interview with the Telegraph, as part of his publicity drive for Spare

A third request here for an AMA from spanakopita if she has the time.

I’m both dog and horse mad, but lack the fields to rescue aging equines.

First question might be “what are the vets’ bills like?” (assuming you cannot get insurance for dogs in their dotage…)

And sorry, to get back on topic, that quote, greendress, is chilling! Wow.

Hmmm, or something of magnitude in his head, but would turn out to be not wanting to lend M some lip gloss.

Considering he still bears a grudge about a sausage, it could be even more trivial than the lip gloss thing.

I disagree. I think if it was "something of nagnitude in his head" that didn't reflect badly on H&M he'd have laid it out in detail so's we all knew.

@GiveMeSpanakopita his actual words from an interview with The Telegraph ( Bryony Gordon?)

Apologies @Puzzledandpissedoff i didn’t notice you had already clarified it was an interview in The Telegraph.

Nothing to apologise for, @Mylovelygreendress - I had to check myself!!

But MM was at the subsequent Jubilee celebrations at St Pauls etc ... so she cant have been shunned by the Queen as they wouldnt have been invited? Or attended if PH was still raging. Dont understand this timeline. I wonder if the bullying allegations / investigation was the threat?

By then (the Jubilee) H&M weren't working Royals any more.
The timeline would have been:

H&M come back from Canada and start doing their own thing

The Late Queen pulls rank, puts M on a plane to Canada and tells H to shape up as a working Royal or ship out - no half-and-half. With one year to decide

H&M decide to go it alone

But they still get invited, as lots of non-working Royals did, to tje Jubilee knees-up

I don't think she ever shunned them, just gave a top-dog nip to their necks.

Well, it seems there hasn't been an apology, and yet nothing has emerged.

So either there is something, and H&M have backed down (why would they? What have they got to lose from exposing the RF at this point?), or there wasn't anything of substance.

Given the rest of their accusations (unspecified racist comment, Archie not getting a title because he is mixed race, lip gloss, bridesmaids fitting tears) have ended up being dubious, my money is on this being another incident that doesn't stand up to scrutiny once the facts are known. More smear by insinuation.

But unless they put it out there we will never know. There may be a smoking gun, who knows?

Isn't the demanded apology for the so called "leaking and briefing" against H&M that Harry is adamant happened? I assumed that was what he meant by the threatening "you know what you did so just come clean" quote.

Has Harry ever been able to give any examples ?

As it turns out Harry didn’t have to give any examples.

@Mylovelygreendress

The Mirror (MGN) admitted that they had obtained stories about Harry from the RF and the palaces as part of their defence when Harry took them to court and won because they were guilty of illegal on obtaining information.

I’ve attached an article for you.

“Instead, MGN's lawyer claimed in a court document seen by Yahoo! News: "Many [of the articles] came from information disclosed by or on behalf of royal households or members of the Royal Family."

It could be that this was what Harry meant by the ‘you know what you did ‘ or it could be something else they did?’

I’ve not read the actual court papers but what ever was leaked might be recorded.

“Instead, MGN's lawyer claimed in a court document seen by Yahoo News "Many [of the articles] came from information disclosed by or on behalf of royal households or members of the Royal Family."
It could be that this was what Harry meant by the ‘you know what you did ‘ or it could be something else they did?’
I’ve not read the actual court papers but what ever was leaked might be recorded.

This was all covered at length when Harry gave evidence in the MGN case. The barrister took Harry through the 30 or so stories that he alleged must have come from his phone being hacked and established how there was information that was already - and legitimately - in the public domain which were the basis for the articles. For example an interview Harry gave talking about his 18th birthday plans, people having seen Diana’s drive into Eton to visit him for his 12th birthday, the Palace’s official press statement that following reports of him being drunk and smoking cannabis Prince Charles had taken him to visit a rehab centre etc.

None of this was leaks. The information “disclosed by members of the Royal; family” was in on the record interviews, some by Harry himself.

Hello and hugs to all my fellow dog lovers! I probably won't do an AMA in the short term as I'm quite well known locally for my dog rescuing and, whilst my neighbours (and my clients!) are aware that I've led a colourful life, some of the stuff I've posted on here would be outing when all put together. Maybe in a few months under a NC.

To the PP who asked about insurance, yes it's expensive, and certain breeds with certain health conditions are pretty much uninsurable which is why it's so common to see elderly dogs abandoned in shelters. My aim is simply to give them as much love as possible in the last couple of years/months of their lives. I don't judge people who can no longer look after their elderly dogs but it breaks my heart to imagine being abandoned in this way after giving a lifetime of loyalty and love. Dogs are absolutely capable of complex and deep emotions. So I just want to love as many as I can. I normally have two at a time (just one atm) and I'm fortunate that my business is profitable enough that I can afford and have the time to do it.

Back to business then and H&M's brand and PR: they absolutely need ARO to be a success. I'd be willing to bet that they're financially overextended. Compare the lifestyle with their output (Spare was overprinted and didn't do sustainable numbers after the initial bang) and I think they're probably pretty stretched. I think that may be why Meghan seems no longer to employ a stylist. That's bad financial management: they should keep the stylist and ditch the mansion and the lawsuits, imo.

The problem with putting all their eggs in the ARO basket is that, since they left the RF, Harry's the big cash cow and the one with the most remaining brand value, not Meghan. So if I were Meghan I'd be looking to maximise PR from the Harry association to sell ARO products. She'll have to get him out on the promo circuit. Not sure how well this'll work as he's not a natural or experienced salesman, but that would be the best way to shift product.

If the jam is an indicator, she's looking to maximise profit margins with mid-priced goods that have very low production costs. That's probably the smartest business model for her to go for but it'll mean that the branding becomes the only differentiator - another reason to use Harry for promotion as much as she possibly can.

Gotta be honest - I would never invest in it.

She'll have to get him out on the promo circuit.

OMG I have visions of Fanny and Johhny Craddock

The problem with putting all their eggs in the ARO basket is that, since they left the RF, Harry's the big cash cow and the one with the most remaining brand value, not Meghan. So if I were Meghan I'd be looking to maximise PR from the Harry association to sell ARO products. She'll have to get him out on the promo circuit. Not sure how well this'll work as he's not a natural or experienced salesman, but that would be the best way to shift product.

They've never promoted any of their 'ventures'. Maybe they think being Harry and Meghan is enough, but it clearly isn't. Spare was an exception, but I'm guessing a round of promotional interviews was written into Harry's contract.

I agree that Harry is the big 'draw' among the two of them, but I'm not sure what value he would add to a lifestyle brand. He might bring attention but as I said above, that doesn't ensure sales, certainly not on a sustainable basis. Then again, Meghan herself is not popular or high profile enough to sell stuff on her own merits, nor does she have an obvious association with a home focussed brand.

I just don't see how ARO or whatever it might be called can be a success. In fact, I'm not sure it's going to materialise at all. There clearly is no competent guiding hand behind it, or if there is, they are being ignored. Duchess knows best.

Yep, promo and/or tour is written into book contracts. I don't think Meghan would have a problem doing promo work but Harry might, and would probably need training. It's obviously not something he grew up around and I'm guessing that salesmanship and marketing is probably looked down on in aristocratic circles as being a bit infra dig. He was very awkward in his interviews for Spare and didn't appear to be enjoying it much.

The other option would be to do celebrity endorsements. And to focus on a niche and lucrative market sector: African American women aged 18 - 35, for example, is a market with a massively growing amount of purchasing power as more and more of them over the last couple of decades have bachelor degrees and take white collar jobs. Cardi B is known to endorse anything as long as it pays exorbitantly and is extremely famous online - I think she's great but she might not be the image Meghan's looking for. Megan Thee Stallion maybe? Again, probably a bit too raunchy, but she recently did a great partnership with Amazon Prime and even wrote a song specifically for them, which was fun, witty and catchy. She might do something similar for Meghan. She's managed by Jay-Z tho and he's famously very protective of his artists' brands.

I'm just spitballing but this is the kind of out-of-the-box thinking that Meghan should be doing, and hopefully is. After all she's not got that much to lose, so better to go bold and surprise everyone. Could she afford to, though? That is the question.

Out of curiosity, are any of the royals currently playing polo besides Harry? Charles has health issues and William seems to love helicopters. Also, hasn't Charles been selling off the stables? I've of course never met the Wales children but George doesn't seem like the polo type.

My personal theory is someone at the palace got sick of hearing the dish soap story, investigated, and found out the truth. Hence Harry kinows what they did. 😊

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I don't think Meghan would have a problem doing promo work but Harry might, and would probably need training.

Meghan did almost no promotion for her book and podcasts. 10 years ago she'd have been out there hustling, but I reckon she thinks she's above having to do that now that she's a Duchess.

And to focus on a niche and lucrative market sector: African American women aged 18 - 35, for example, is a market with a massively growing amount of purchasing power as more and more of them over the last couple of decades have bachelor degrees and take white collar jobs.

Meghan is 43. She's too old for that demographic. And I don't think they're very interested in Meghan anyway.

The problem is that Meghan has been very famous for nearly 10 years now. And in that time, she hasn't really established a coherent public persona which would lend itself to a lifestyle brand. Lifestyle brands are a bit last decade in any case, and consumers have become a lot more savvy and demanding when it comes to 'celebrity' brands. Meghan would need to have patience, strategic thinking and an ability to listen to expert advice if she's to have a chance at this, and I don't think she has any of these qualities.