At least £72million on dressing up day

[Notmoog]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/nov/21/obscene-anger-after-cost-of-king-charless-coronation-revealed

Anyone care to justify this?(oh, and no, it didn't bring in more money via tourists etc.)

The protests over Gaza have cost the taxpayer over £43 million pounds last year and JSO over £20 million last year. The latter 2 don't bring any tourists to the UK and are quite frankly a bloody nuisance. At least the royals bring in revenue to the UK.

And there are a significant number of us in a middle ground.

I’m mostly and currently in favour of a constitutional monarchy for our parliamentary system.

I’d prefer a slimmed down version and would rather never hear from the Yorks again. I want more transparency about spending (more detailed breakdowns) and official gift lists returned to the main website.

I am also totally open to a republic depending on someone coming up with a good plan for a replacement head of state.

But I think the organisation Republic is doing a rubbish job at campaigning for a republic.

So could all the tax payers money wasted on policing Gaza protests and JSO protests.

Football clubs make huge contributions to policing their matches.

The royals bring lots of outside money into the country.

No-one has ever provided cold hard figures definitively proving this in all the times I've asked over the years.

This line appears to derive from a 2017 report made by a branding firm with royal links which was widely covered in the press.

No-one knows who commissioned the report. No-one knows what the agenda was in preparing it yet its unsubstantiated conclusions somehow gained traction and have been widely accepted ever since:

https://brandirectory.com/reports/monarchy-2017/

I find all the figures of what the royal family brings in rather dubious. You can calculate the direct revenue (visits to residences, gift shops etc), but the rest, how exactly is it established? How do you differentiate between tourists who pop to Buckingham palace whilst they are in London, and tourists who come to London to see Buckingham palace because of the King? I would be very interested to see, if anyone has the info, where these numbers come from.

Tbf the majority of the cost would have come from security and shutting the roads. Things like the gold coach and crown jewels and pageantry look expensive and fancy but the rf already own all that stuff so it's not as if they're paying to rent it!

You're talking of security for multiple heads of state and millions of visitors and shutting down central London for a few days....even if you got rid of all the "fancy" stuff and charles rocked up in an uber wearing a suit it wouldn't make a difference but at least this way they can sell the TV rights and make money back that way/via tourism.

Well at least we will hopefully get several years out of him as opposed to what we got for 32million for Harry and Meghan's not really a wedding wedding.

I'd rather a monarchy than an elected president although I'm not a monarchist. However, the deep flaw in the UK monarchy is that its vast wealth is not (and never has been) used to benefit so-called subjects.

Prince William is serious about ending homeless and could choose to use Duchy of Cornwall funds to build homes instead of taking rental income from sub-standard homes. He and Catherine are articulate about the benefits of sport but many schools have no sports facilities. They could endow some in major cities. The sovereign pays no inheritance tax when he or she dies. The private estate could fund the coronation as the new monarch's gift to the nation.

We all need cheering up and I believe it cost more like 100m when you include other services. It was a bargain

Cheering up?! Hahaha... it didn't cheer me up but I did find it absolutely laughable! To see Charles stripping off down to his special vest in the Abbey doing something, god knows what, behind a screen, being oiled up or something, and Camilla... two old geezers (that's what they are really... I can say this because I'm one)... in their gold carriage. And William unable to memorise two lines, that was funny!

Charles having a meltdown in the gold carriage because William was late or something and then all the balcony waving nonsense... laughable.

And was this the ceremony where the Crown got it's own Rolls Royce to transport it on a velvet cushion? And everyone jumping to attention as it arrived.

How anyone thinks this is relevant, I do not know. As I say... it's a joke and laughable.

"And was this the ceremony where the Crown got it's own Rolls Royce to transport it on a velvet cushion? And everyone jumping to attention as it arrived."

hahaha, you must be taking the mickey.
I do hope that's true though, loving the thought of the suckers jumping to attention for a hat ( possibly with stolen jewels on?)

I actually enjoy all the pomp and ceremonial stuff. I enjoy the opening of parliament ceremonies as well and the garter parade. I wonder if there’s a way to preserve or create something new and ceremonial within a non royal head of state situation. The US inauguration isn’t very inspiring to watch on TV although I’m sure the atmosphere if you are there is good.

Ahhh got it now, it's for State Opening of Parliament!

I've tried to link a pic but it's too big and won't load. Needless to say the Crown has it's own car 😂

But that’s because it’s the symbol of the power of the head of state.

Americans are similar about their flag - there’s a flag code and it include things like it’s never supposed to touch the ground. And has to be disposed of in a particular way when it gets too tatty to use.

And it’s not just a suggestion it’s an actual
law with potential penalties for not following it.

O. K. If you send me your address I'll send you 10p.

Double hahahaha.
And people go along with this?
sweet Jesus, people are nuts

We'll all be compost in the end.

@Notmoog do you think we would go low key if we were a republican and had a president? If anything like Trump we would still be paying for security for president and family. Still subsidise a number of residences.
what would happen to the Duchies? If taken over by the Government, do you think they wouldn’t charge for NHS etc using the land?

I feel the same way.

On balance I favour a constitutional monarchy, but I can see there are lots of issues with the system and I would be open to suggestions of a better form of government. I certainly do not for a moment consider any of the royals to be 'better' than me, and I never have. I don't know anyone who thinks that way.

However, none of the republicans here or elsewhere are doing this. They're simply sneering at 'dressing up day' and insulting those who disagree with them by dismissing them as 'forelock tuggers' and 'sycophants'. It's a rather unpleasant and negative philosophy. I somehow doubt they're going to build enthusiasm for a massively disruptive constitutional overhaul by telling people how thick they are.

Have to say, it’s nice to see so much disgust for once! This forum usually has royal grovellers out in force.

Dint yer? If you didn't watch it I don't see how you can judge that it was a debacle. I can't remember Elton doing another turn. I don't think he was singing that day, well, not one of the official singers. A lovely opera singer called Pretty Yende sang. She wore an acid yellow dress. She's class.

Just double checked and luckily in 1990 the Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional to stop someone expressing their freedom of speech by burning the flag if they wanted to protest.

Before that the penalty was a fine and up to one year in prison.

I’m less confident in the current Supreme Court to protect the first Amendment though - could see Trump trying to make it illegal to say mean things about him.

'Ordinary people' were invited to the coronation, not only VIPs. The poet laureate wrote a very nice poem about it.

I knew a communist who once told me off for using the words 'ordinary people'. I wonder if he's grown into a sad old bugger.

The last one was 25 when she came to the throne. This one was 50 years older.

what incenses me is the fact it is one family who hold this position no matter how shite they are and are given unbelievable privilege and wealth from us and have done for generations with no sign of it stopping and it frustrates me that people seem to think that is ok.
Npo system will be perfect, there will always be people with vastly more than others and that's fine by me but I don't want to give a penny to these people and don't get why I have to