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The royal family
andIsaid · 22/11/2024 14:40

NetballHoop · 22/11/2024 09:56

Well Trump's inauguration was estimated to have cost between $175 million and $200 million so I'd say we got off lightly.

home.heinonline.org/blog/2017/01/the-extraordinary-cost-to-inaugurate-a-president/

So what though?

Who cares what the Americans spend?

Do you decide your household budget based on what your neighbours spend or based on what you can afford?

Crazy argument.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/11/2024 14:41

Tangledteatowel · 22/11/2024 13:27

"once in a generation"... How long are they expecting Charles to live for?! No doubt we will have another one in the next 10-15 years... and we can only hope that William's ego doesn't require £72m of public spending...

As long as 10-15 years? Confused If he makes it even to 80 I'll eat my hat

And I'm keeping an open mind on whether William will have more sense and taste; it would be nice to think so but I'm counting on nothing

Edited to add, for all those crying "he pays tax", he pays it voluntarily, and even then only if the usual smoke and mirrors can't get him out of it.
I'd love to know what went on behind the scenes to get that "voluntarily" in place ... or then again maybe I wouldn't

andIsaid · 22/11/2024 14:43

BuzzieLittleBee · 22/11/2024 10:11

I don't have strong views on this one way or the other - but it equates to a little over £1 per head for everyone in the UK.
Or put another way, less than 0.05% of the money raised from VAT alone.
Or to compare it with another waste of money - around 0.1% of the estimated cost of HS2 (which will undoubtedly end up costing way more than the estimate)

So the headline figure might sound a lot, but it's a drop in the ocean really.

I don't have strong views on this one way or the other
The rest of your quote would belie that statement.

If you add that to every other tax avoidanant scheme they do, every pound they get from us, and on and on, I think your numbers have to be way off.

andIsaid · 22/11/2024 14:45

Wahoobafoo · 22/11/2024 11:56

I thought it would be a lot more than £72million

The Paris Olympics Opening Ceremony cost €1 billion and that was really shite 💩

I think it probably dodged cost a lot more than that.

I bet there is an attractive way to play with the numbers.

wordler · 22/11/2024 14:46

The other point that’s worth considering is that Charles doesn’t get to insist on anything himself. He can tell the government what he’d prefer in terms of a state occasion but the purse strings sit with the elected government.

Our elected officials decided to spend the money on a state event. If the people in charge of the budget don’t want to pay for it, it wouldn’t happen.

Notlikelysaidthedragontothefly · 22/11/2024 14:46

You sound very angry.

LadyKenya · 22/11/2024 14:58

Notlikelysaidthedragontothefly · 22/11/2024 14:46

You sound very angry.

More people should be angry at the wool that is being pulled over people's eyes, to ensure that these people's position in life is secured for however long, no matter what little they do to deserve any of it.

Havalona · 22/11/2024 14:59

mondaytosunday · 22/11/2024 13:29

One way of looking at it is that £72m was used to pay people in the police, fire etc. That £72m wasn't just set alight. It paid for whatever goods or services needed - ie, people.

They would have been paid their salaries anyway, Coronation or not.

crumblingschools · 22/11/2024 15:14

@Havalona so is £72m on top of that, or have they calculated the cost of the personnel involved?

Moonlightstars · 22/11/2024 15:16

Notlikelysaidthedragontothefly · 22/11/2024 14:46

You sound very angry.

Only a fool would roll over and lap this bollocks up. It's actually embarrassing.

username358 · 22/11/2024 15:30

Course it was worth it.

They're cutting disabled people's benefits, millions are using foodbanks, one in three children is in poverty, the roads are full of potholes, heating allowance has been cut for the elderly - the country is a complete shambles.

We all need cheering up and I believe it cost more like 100m when you include other services. It was a bargain.

<tugs forelock>

Diomi · 22/11/2024 15:31

The royal family bring in masses of tourists. There are crowds round Buckingham palace every day and there are even more during changing of the guard. London is one of the most visited cities in the world (I think it was 2nd last year) and loads of those visitors go to the palace. The shops are packed with royal tat and coach loads of tourists pull up to those shops throughout the day. The royals bring lots of outside money into the country. The faces of our royals are plastered on magazines in Walmarts across the USA and they are often the only Brits many people have ever heard of. Whatever you think of them, they are a successful brand and the coronation helped that brand enormously.

crumblingschools · 22/11/2024 15:42

@username358 and the country’ would still have all that shit whether we had the RF or not.

DollyTubb · 22/11/2024 15:43

"The Coronation of the King cost taxpayers £72m, government figures have revealed.Just over £50m was spent by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS), which coordinated the event, while policing costs came to almost £22m, which were paid for by the Home Office...Being a state event, the Coronation was paid for by the UK Government and Buckingham Palace through the Sovereign Grant - which comes from a percentage of the profits of the Crown Estate revenue - and the Privy Purse, money from a private estate known as the Duchy of Lancaster."
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c04lyddv2p5o
So lots of emergency service personnel would be getting overtime payments from this although some would have been on duty anyway. And not all the cost was paid from the UK treasury.

wordler · 22/11/2024 15:44

Again the monarch has no legal or political power to force anyone to give him a coronation.

The event was planned and budget approved by our elected representatives.

The anger of a few cannot shift the apathy of the many - Republic isn’t going to get significant support if all they do is whine about how much money is spent on the current head of state without getting people excited at the prospect of an alternative.

I think Republic need a new leader and a new strategy - get people enthused at a replacement system and why it would be worth the time and considerable effort it will take to make the switch.

EatTheBastard · 22/11/2024 15:59

From reading some posts, I can only assume that they haven't watched this excellent programme.

The whole point is that the Royals have used their influence to manipulate policy to benefit themselves. There is no real transparency into the true picture of their wealth and their income streams. Channel 4 did a brilliant job and I imagine this is only the tip of the iceberg.

I repeat, you can only become King or Queen if you drop out of the right vagina. Do you really think that any one of them is actually better than us?

They make excellent use of emotional manipulation to keep us thinking they are going to do one thing when they are actually doing quite another. You can see it on posts on this thread - people 'hoping' that William will take a different approach. Well, Charles said exactly that and still chose to have a lavish coronation.

'The King, The Prince & Their Secret Millions'

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-king-the-prince-their-secret-millions?cntsrc=social_share_ios_the_king_the_prince_their_secret_millions

For anyone wanting to do something practical to channel their frustration, take a look here.

www.republic.org.uk/mymp

Watch The King, The Prince & Their Secret Millions | Stream free on Channel 4

For years, the royals kept details of some of their wealth secret. Dispatches reveals what they have kept under wraps - about who is paying them, and for what. With BSL.

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-king-the-prince-their-secret-millions?cntsrc=social_share_ios_the_king_the_prince_their_secret_millions

kaela100 · 22/11/2024 16:05

I personally think it would have been better value for money had it been William as he's younger and will have a far longer reign. Spending £72m on a a 73 year old's coronation was always going to be inappropriate.

footballmum25 · 22/11/2024 16:10

72 million? that’s about the average amount i spend on snacks weekly for my dc 🤣

EatTheBastard · 22/11/2024 16:12

kaela100 · 22/11/2024 16:05

I personally think it would have been better value for money had it been William as he's younger and will have a far longer reign. Spending £72m on a a 73 year old's coronation was always going to be inappropriate.

The point is, if you support the monarchy, you have to take whichever specimen happens to drop out of the 'right' vagina first and honor them as the King or Queen until they die or choose to abdicate.

You cannot change who it is based on whether you like them or don't like the way they do things or think that someone in the next generstion would be better.. You have NO choice or say over it comoared with a republic where you do get a say.

HowardTJMoon · 22/11/2024 16:14

crumblingschools · 22/11/2024 14:14

@HowardTJMoon other countries would have paid for their leaders to attend Rf funeral/coronation, by your argument what benefit did they get from that?

No idea. Maybe you should ask them?

wordler · 22/11/2024 16:21

I did watch the programme - it was well researched but didn’t ultimately surprise me.

Again - we have a system which gives the monarch no real power.

The power of influence maybe - but that relies on the greed for power, money, rewards from those we have elected.

Anything the monarch gets - income, state occasions, meetings with the Prime Minister etc - are given to them by the people we elect ourselves. All is easily take away if people want it.

Well in theory simple but in practice will take the work of potentially decades and will cost billions - which is why no government, even a Labour one, will seriously attempt it without a significant majority of people calling for it.

Republic need to show why this monumental change is a net positive and simply hating on the current incumbent of the position isn’t going to move people.

crumblingschools · 22/11/2024 16:23

For those angry about the transactions with the Duchies, RF pay tax on the income from them, and the amount they receive from there means they receive less from the Sovereign Grant, and the smaller the Sovereign Grant the more that goes to the Treasury from the Crown Estate.

I assume the Duchies are meant to be run as commercial enterprises. So if the RF didn't charge for anything and then claimed more money from the Sovereign Grant people would complain.

All public bodies are meant to look at value for money, so if NHS could find somewhere cheaper to store ambulances then they should use that. The Duchy owns warehouses, what do you think they should do with warehouses?

Havalona · 22/11/2024 16:29

Those who are in favour of abolition of the Monarchy and all its shenanigans will see its profligate spending and wealth accumulation as a disgrace. I'm one of them.

Those who are sycophantic and forelock tuggers, will find every excuse under the sun to justify the existence of the parasitic RF without any critical thinking.

I doubt one side will ever convince the other to change its view.

Soontobe60 · 22/11/2024 16:32

I’m pretty certain that one asked me to chip in to the coronation fund, so can safely say it didn’t actually cost me anything.
Have the journalists factored in the amount of money that was brought into the country as a direct result of the Coronation?

coxesorangepippin · 22/11/2024 16:36

Old news

Brits are too lazy to protest