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Prince William 'We can end homelessness"

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Thedom · 30/10/2024 23:26

Part 1, I thought it was a really insightful and thought provoking documentary, very well produced and some impressive people working tirelessly to support the homeless community.

William came across as passionate and very articulate, knowledgeable without appearing to be preaching. A great cause and hopefully will be successful, it's great he is working so closely with those who are on the front line daily trying to make a difference.

He looks so like Diana, not only his appearance but his mannerisms and expressions, could have been watching and listening to Diana at times.

Don't know how it will do on Disney+ though, it is very UK specific, an unsexy subject and I am sure they will have to add subtitles in places.

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AuxArmesCitoyens · 02/11/2024 12:26

If giving people housing isn't the answer, how come Finland has managed to reduce homelessness massively by giving people housing? https://thebetter.news/housing-first-finland-homelessness/

PW could volunteer to give up some of his many millions, for a start, and commit to paying fair inheritance tax when the time comes.

Finland ends homelessness and provides shelter for all in need - scoop.me

In Finland, the number of homeless people has fallen sharply. Why? The country applies the "Housing First" concept agains homelessness.

https://thebetter.news/housing-first-finland-homelessness

upinaballoon · 02/11/2024 12:29

Twistybranch · 02/11/2024 07:52

This is precisely my point.

I won’t watch the documentary. Most people won’t, let’s be honest. Just like Heart of Invictus didn’t get many eyeballs.

But whether you think I’m misrepresenting the docu or not, the takeaway for most people is….the PW thinks he can solve homelessness in 5 years. That’s why involving yourself with issues that can be viewed politically can be misrepresented…very easily.Theres already an article or two in national papers highlighting the optics of this doesn’t look good. A couple of articles isn’t a backlash I grant you, but for having such a laudable aim…..there hasn’t been much reaction at all. I think people are just choosing not to say the quiet part allowed.

This is why, when you stick to a more traditional line up of royal jobs, they are less likely to be misrepresented. Cutting the ribbon the new train station is going to attract negative headlines in the way that this did. Even if it was only a couple.

He now flying off to SA for an environmental awards do….that doesn’t really sit well me either. But that’s another argument.

Listen, I want POW to do well, want him to become King. But I just think he’s taking risks that may not pay off.

"Cutting the ribbon the new train station is going to attract negative headlines in the way that this did."

Oh. He can't do anything to be right then. Well, goes with the territory.

Uricon2 · 02/11/2024 12:34

I think it's ironic that there is criticism of William for being bland/idle/underemployed (etc) and when he does something as bold as this he gets criticised for it too.

Way of the world I suppose. Grin

AuxArmesCitoyens · 02/11/2024 12:41

He gets criticism because his position is utterly absurd and embedded in hypocrisy. He is trying to change a systemic problem when he is the system.

smilesy · 02/11/2024 12:47

AuxArmesCitoyens · 02/11/2024 12:41

He gets criticism because his position is utterly absurd and embedded in hypocrisy. He is trying to change a systemic problem when he is the system.

He’s not though, is he? The government and the civil service are the system. We don’t have an absolute monarchy these days

Uricon2 · 02/11/2024 12:59

Well, I actually don't think that William is "the system" and responsible for all social ills, but even if he were, it's one that there doesn't seem much serious will amongst the British people to be rid of. That could change of course but I think we could get rid of the monarchy and retire the entire RF and we'd have just as much poverty and inequality as we do now.

wordler · 02/11/2024 14:15

What I liked about the Homewards approach is how they are looking at how to deal with creating ways to intervene in the issues which cause homelessness at a much earlier stage in a person’s journey to try to reduce the harm and trauma caused by sleeping rough because the longer someone is on the street the harder it can be to help them.

AuxArmesCitoyens · 02/11/2024 14:36

Lol at the actual heir to the throne not being the system. What is he going to do if the research shows the way to end homelessness is to introduce unuversal basic income? Or redistribute unearned wealth via punitive inheritance taxes? Reckon he will go with it?

smilesy · 02/11/2024 14:40

AuxArmesCitoyens · 02/11/2024 14:36

Lol at the actual heir to the throne not being the system. What is he going to do if the research shows the way to end homelessness is to introduce unuversal basic income? Or redistribute unearned wealth via punitive inheritance taxes? Reckon he will go with it?

Eh? How can he influence the way taxes are distributed or what the basic level of income is? Lol at you thinking the actual heir to the throne has any influence over this. Besides which I doubt either of those two things that you mention would have a significant impact on the root causes of homelessness

AuxArmesCitoyens · 02/11/2024 14:45

The point is he is never going to advocate for anything that rocks the boat, is he? Like housing the homeless in some of the tens of thousands of properties lying empty in London for instance. There are laws on the books that would let us do that overnight. But he can't back anything radical can he, even if it would work.

Lavenderfarmcottage · 02/11/2024 15:39

Windsor Castle has 1000 rooms
and nobody living there. Maybe they could convert a wing into accommodation for women and children displaced by domestic violence. Would be a nice thing for children traumatised to take temporary residence in a castle. There are already staff there ensuring it’s smooth running, security and protection so ideal really.

Uricon2 · 02/11/2024 15:52

AuxArmesCitoyens · 02/11/2024 14:36

Lol at the actual heir to the throne not being the system. What is he going to do if the research shows the way to end homelessness is to introduce unuversal basic income? Or redistribute unearned wealth via punitive inheritance taxes? Reckon he will go with it?

If William was going to be an absolute monarch and we paid our taxes to him, he might be the system. Only it's not the 14th century, we won't and he isn't.

Because he isn't going to be an absolute monarch, his ability to do anything much with the actual system will be limited.

Mittens67 · 02/11/2024 16:05

Let’s not forget that this time last year we had a home secretary who branded homelessness a “lifestyle choice” and wanted to prosecute homeless charities who gave out free tents for emergency shelter.
Although she is no longer in government (thank christ) she is still a serving mp so people voted for her presumably agreeing with her abhorrent views.

AuxArmesCitoyens · 02/11/2024 21:33

Oops: Scores of Prince William's rental properties fail to meet minimum legal energy efficiency standards for landlords. Some of his tenants at risk of fuel poverty, living in hard to heat homes riddled with damp and black mould. From Channel 4 dispatches

BustingBaoBun · 02/11/2024 21:40

Please read. I have archived it because it's behind a paywall. The link is safe

An eye opener and shocking

archive.ph/k2CGM

BustingBaoBun · 02/11/2024 21:44

Just a snippet

All 5,410 landholdings and properties held by the royal duchies
The NHS will pay the King’s duchy £11m over 15 years to rent a warehouse for ambulances
Ministry of Justice pays William’s duchy £1.5m a year to use Dartmoor prison
The army pays to train on Dartmoor, the navy to moor and refuel its fleet
Charges are levied on Liverpool container port, the Mersey ferry — and a sewage pipe
Charities have paid millions to rent a 1960s office block in central London

smilesy · 02/11/2024 21:51

BustingBaoBun · 02/11/2024 21:44

Just a snippet

All 5,410 landholdings and properties held by the royal duchies
The NHS will pay the King’s duchy £11m over 15 years to rent a warehouse for ambulances
Ministry of Justice pays William’s duchy £1.5m a year to use Dartmoor prison
The army pays to train on Dartmoor, the navy to moor and refuel its fleet
Charges are levied on Liverpool container port, the Mersey ferry — and a sewage pipe
Charities have paid millions to rent a 1960s office block in central London

This is all very interesting. Why don’t you start another thread about it?

BemusedAmerican · 02/11/2024 21:56

Well, William has been Duke of Cornwall for a year. All of this happened under Charles, the longest POW in history. Oddly enough no one brought this up under Charles.

William now has a game plan - work to bring his rental properties up to code. He's the landlord of Dartmoor Prison. Can he do a health and safety check for insurance purposes and made sure the DOJ is keeping it up to code?

Can he take profits from rent from the charities and plow that into homeless programs? How legit are these charities? Are they paying market value?

Sorting all of this out could be highly beneficial to your nation in the long run, but will cut into his time opening supermarkets in the short term.

BustingBaoBun · 02/11/2024 21:58

Why do I have to do that?

William is preaching about homelessness, I am linking something that makes his big project rather hypocritical.

BemusedAmerican · 02/11/2024 21:58

But also your government negotiated these contracts. People should ask their local politicians if they are getting market value for their rent payments.

GrouchyKiwi · 02/11/2024 22:06

I suspect the government has a portfolio of land investments too, bought with taxpayer money, and charities, etc will pay to rent that as well.

BemusedAmerican · 02/11/2024 22:47

BTW, just read the Finland article. They are providing housing with supportive services, which William is doing with the units he is building on his land in Cornwall. His Cornish project may work out.

Cartwrightandson · 03/11/2024 06:24

Scandal of Prince William's mouldy, hard to heat royal rentals - that don't meet standards

https://archive.is/s5bHY

PleaseSnow · 03/11/2024 06:33

smilesy · 02/11/2024 12:47

He’s not though, is he? The government and the civil service are the system. We don’t have an absolute monarchy these days

Of course he is. He's a landlord multiple times over, to start. Landlords perpetuate and benefit from a hugely unequal system, and the amount of land he owns limits everyone else's access to land, making it a luxury and making renting an absolute money pit, leading people to become homeless with no security net.

PleaseSnow · 03/11/2024 06:34

BemusedAmerican · 02/11/2024 22:47

BTW, just read the Finland article. They are providing housing with supportive services, which William is doing with the units he is building on his land in Cornwall. His Cornish project may work out.

Would he live in a "unit"?