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Where is Harry?

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Rhaidimiddim · 11/10/2024 20:03

Just that.

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ThePoshUns · 25/10/2024 15:59

lol @Pineapplesandthegovernmentandpunkrock !

Great post @GiveMeSpanakopita ,
and I would say spot on.
I don't hate them but I am so fascinated by them because they are so awful.
They had it all at one point and have completely blown it. It's a real life soap opera and I'm here for it.
And I don't feel bad, they put themselves out there , sold their souls to Oprah and Netflix, they only have themselves to blame.

FloofPaws · 25/10/2024 17:04

Pineapplesandthegovernmentandpunkrock · 25/10/2024 15:53

If Harry can make a good life for himself as a tv presenter then great or breading polo ponies then great.

I know Harry has been violent with his polo ponies, but turning them into schnitzel seems a bit extreme even for him. Unless this is part of Meghan's cooking show?

lol 😂 that fits the actual story TBH he's a horrible animal abuser so wouldn't trust him to breed horses, only bread them!

FloofPaws · 25/10/2024 17:08

SassK · 25/10/2024 15:59

[Apologies if this observation has already been made] I've wondered if Harry's Father's illness has been a watershed moment for him. It's often the case that we don't appreciate, or are even aware of, just how much we truly care for someone until we're faced with the possibility of losing them to serious illness. That reaffirmation (because I believe Harry does love his Father and Brother) may have prompted Harry to reflect on the entirety of the shit show of the past decade (and view it very differently).

I think in Harry's case there's a severe case of Oedipus complex going on, he's created his mum in MM, or probably more likely MM has seen the gap and slotted herself in. He / she have killed
Off his whole family, and hers, so she can keep him away from any external people who love him, or can tell
Him what she's really like!
He himself isn't exactly the best example of a
Good person IMO but I do think MM has designed this whole situation - but as PP said it's back firing and the house of cards is falling, and can't be stopped now

theemptinessmachine · 25/10/2024 17:37

Harry has run with his mother's death for so long as it was a very long time ago. Then his father is ill and when a last parent dies you realise there is no one between you and the grave. Fortunately Charles is still with us but perhaps it gave Harry a reminder that he is not as young as he once was and is ageing too and a time without his father is nearer than he had thought about.

Needanewname42 · 25/10/2024 17:56

@SassK I think you could be right, his Dads cancer must have come as a shock.

Likewise Kate, she might only be his SIL, but William met Kate when he was about 18 so Harry about 16, she has been part of the family his entire adult life. I bet he can hardly remember life without her.

I think he must have done a lot of soul searching too, both looking at his past, present and the future for his kids.

Needanewname42 · 25/10/2024 17:59

@theemptinessmachine I know exactly what you mean. Like Harry I had DGPs who made it to their late 90s, it was a shock just a couple of years later for my DDad to get cancer in his 70s.

Fugliest · 25/10/2024 18:10

Needanewname42 · 25/10/2024 17:56

@SassK I think you could be right, his Dads cancer must have come as a shock.

Likewise Kate, she might only be his SIL, but William met Kate when he was about 18 so Harry about 16, she has been part of the family his entire adult life. I bet he can hardly remember life without her.

I think he must have done a lot of soul searching too, both looking at his past, present and the future for his kids.

I disagree.

Everything PH does is self-serving.

I suspect KC3 cancer just put the wind up him that money taps would be turned off and doors slammed by his brother sooner than he thought.

He was very happy to let the axe fall on Kate and Charles and let them carry the can of the 'racist royal' in the Omid fiasco last Christmas - and didnt call off the SS when they hounded Kate.

I think PH is an ugly (inside and out), nasty, racist, vexatious and entitled but 'useful idiot' for his equally grandiose and deluled wife.

They deserve each other. There is no cominbg back from their behaviour.

PH has lost a lot though this marriage - his dignity, his reputation and his family and friends.

MM has gained $$$$, fake status, fame - although her reputation is also in tatters.

Fugliest · 25/10/2024 18:12

GiveMeSpanakopita · 25/10/2024 14:32

They have a huge PR problem (I know the media & PR industries as explained in previous posts so feel confident in giving the following opinion) and the problem is this: the majority of people are now tuning in to laugh at them and feel schadenfreude. This is a phenomenon of the internet age.

That's a huge problem when it happens to any celebrity and you can't come back from it really. If the main source of your celebrity is basically your personality, you can expect to have a number of people who 'hate follow' you; tune in to watch you fail. Ideally you would be aiming for a large audience of 80% genuine fans/supporters and 20% haters. The haters aren't great and can be a pain in the arse, but they still count as viewers, so you're still making money off them.

However, when you get to the point where that 80-20 golden rule is operating in reverse - as I believe it is for H&M - well, that's not good. You'll still be getting clicks and viewing numbers, but haters don't engage meaningfully with an 'positive' content you put out, so you don't get the longevity of TV and book deals, product sales, etc. To put it succinctly, if your audience is now 80% haters, theyll still follow news about you, but it'll be in a negative context: clicking on videos mocking your latest charidee endeavour, joining critical gossip threads on Tattle or Mumsnet, etc. That is not anywhere near as secure and lucrative as 80% supporters who'll stick with an entire Netflix series about polo, or buy some ridiculously overpriced jam.

When a celeb is in this invidious position, they often end up with a core of superstans who'll go to bat and defend the celeb in increasingly hysterical and aggressive tones. This can give the celeb in question the false notion that they're still adored, but unfortunately, that small core of hyperactive superstans don't translate into real revenue or proft over the long term (and a lot of them are bots anyway).

We know H&M are done as some of their previously high profile supporters (Oprah, the Clooneys, Liz Jones, Tina Brown, the Beckhams) are now openly critical or conspicuously silent.

My prediction: they'll stay famous, but it'll be an increasingly tawdry type of fame, tinged with derision and schadenfreude. And that's never going to be very lucrative in terms of income.

@GiveMeSpanakopita I agree with this assessment of their public profile - can you suggest other celebs who have followed this trajectory?

Pineapplesandthegovernmentandpunkrock · 25/10/2024 18:18

Fugliest · 25/10/2024 18:10

I disagree.

Everything PH does is self-serving.

I suspect KC3 cancer just put the wind up him that money taps would be turned off and doors slammed by his brother sooner than he thought.

He was very happy to let the axe fall on Kate and Charles and let them carry the can of the 'racist royal' in the Omid fiasco last Christmas - and didnt call off the SS when they hounded Kate.

I think PH is an ugly (inside and out), nasty, racist, vexatious and entitled but 'useful idiot' for his equally grandiose and deluled wife.

They deserve each other. There is no cominbg back from their behaviour.

PH has lost a lot though this marriage - his dignity, his reputation and his family and friends.

MM has gained $$$$, fake status, fame - although her reputation is also in tatters.

Have to say I agree with this. I actually think he may hate his father. As well as the plain nasty stuff in Spare (the targeting his dad's car in an exercise, even as a fantasy; talking about his father in derogatory terms when he had just lost his mother), The Vintage Read posted a video of him from Charles and Camilla's wedding when he was throwing confetti at them - the look on his face was pure evil.

Vespanest · 25/10/2024 18:26

it can be easy to blame Meghan but most of the spew in spare was pre Meghan and his spare book tour was all about him. I'm sure Harry loves Charles and William but he equally despises them. He's an arse

JoanChitty · 25/10/2024 18:31

They shine like 5 watt lamps in a 20 watt world

Rhaidimiddim · 25/10/2024 18:32

AutumnMagpies · 25/10/2024 14:49

I never thought say this, but I’m starting to feel sorry for them.

Remind yourself, then, that they put out the OW interview while the late Queen was dealing with the imminient death of the man who had been her mainstay for all her adult life. That was elder abuse.

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NowImNotDoingIt · 25/10/2024 18:34

This thread is hilarious. OMG Harry is soo annoying, he's everywhere, attention seeking, needy prick!

Oh.. wait a minute. Where is he?

Rhaidimiddim · 25/10/2024 18:44

Fugliest · 25/10/2024 18:10

I disagree.

Everything PH does is self-serving.

I suspect KC3 cancer just put the wind up him that money taps would be turned off and doors slammed by his brother sooner than he thought.

He was very happy to let the axe fall on Kate and Charles and let them carry the can of the 'racist royal' in the Omid fiasco last Christmas - and didnt call off the SS when they hounded Kate.

I think PH is an ugly (inside and out), nasty, racist, vexatious and entitled but 'useful idiot' for his equally grandiose and deluled wife.

They deserve each other. There is no cominbg back from their behaviour.

PH has lost a lot though this marriage - his dignity, his reputation and his family and friends.

MM has gained $$$$, fake status, fame - although her reputation is also in tatters.

Agree 100%

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Rhaidimiddim · 25/10/2024 18:45

Fugliest · 25/10/2024 18:12

@GiveMeSpanakopita I agree with this assessment of their public profile - can you suggest other celebs who have followed this trajectory?

Katie Price?

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BigWillyLittleTodger · 25/10/2024 20:21

Pineapplesandthegovernmentandpunkrock · 25/10/2024 18:18

Have to say I agree with this. I actually think he may hate his father. As well as the plain nasty stuff in Spare (the targeting his dad's car in an exercise, even as a fantasy; talking about his father in derogatory terms when he had just lost his mother), The Vintage Read posted a video of him from Charles and Camilla's wedding when he was throwing confetti at them - the look on his face was pure evil.

I also agree, I don’t think he gives two hoots about his father, just the money he can provide, the mad dash when Charles was diagnosed was for public show, he made sure we all knew about the visit and then he has the audacity to speak about it on Good Morning America (or whatever news show it was), apparently Charles was very disappointed in him doing that, Harry only cares about the cash, he was just in a panic because it is quite likely sadly that William will be King sooner than expected and that will have blindsided him.

AutumnMagpies · 25/10/2024 20:57

BigWillyLittleTodger · 25/10/2024 20:21

I also agree, I don’t think he gives two hoots about his father, just the money he can provide, the mad dash when Charles was diagnosed was for public show, he made sure we all knew about the visit and then he has the audacity to speak about it on Good Morning America (or whatever news show it was), apparently Charles was very disappointed in him doing that, Harry only cares about the cash, he was just in a panic because it is quite likely sadly that William will be King sooner than expected and that will have blindsided him.

So sad. He didn’t appear to care about his grandparents and the pain he caused them either.

Pineapplesandthegovernmentandpunkrock · 25/10/2024 20:59

I don't know if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but the visa case may be re-opened. Looks like it has come to light that the Biden administration made an intervention with the judge that the Heritage Foundation didn't know about during the hearings.

Also, the Heritage Foundation has apparently managed to get a full disclosure (including medical) from DHS though the same process they used for Harry's visa (FOI) of Melania Trump's mother's visa application. Apparently the MIL of the former head of state, who still carries the title of president, and who has experienced tangible threats to life is not off limits, but the useless second son of a foreign head of state is shielded. |nteresting.

Fugliest · 25/10/2024 20:59

AutumnMagpies · 25/10/2024 20:57

So sad. He didn’t appear to care about his grandparents and the pain he caused them either.

His malicious behaviour has deeply hurt many family members over many years at very vulnerbale times.

The world was watching and will not forget.

Rhaidimiddim · 25/10/2024 21:34

BigWillyLittleTodger · 25/10/2024 20:21

I also agree, I don’t think he gives two hoots about his father, just the money he can provide, the mad dash when Charles was diagnosed was for public show, he made sure we all knew about the visit and then he has the audacity to speak about it on Good Morning America (or whatever news show it was), apparently Charles was very disappointed in him doing that, Harry only cares about the cash, he was just in a panic because it is quite likely sadly that William will be King sooner than expected and that will have blindsided him.

And he had a gig later that week in Las Vegas ( a NFL-related awards ceremony) that he couldn't have carried off if he hadn't visited sick dad.

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BasiliskStare · 25/10/2024 21:47

I think Harry's brain can't keep up with his sense of entitlement & he has some one by him who encourages him . If they would just sit and think for a moment ........ The WRF haven't caved in , your projects are are not entirely well received. Just having a title does not get you into billionaire status. A bit of demonstrable talent and just no messing everything up on a world stage might be another idea

One opinion only

AutumnMagpies · 25/10/2024 22:04

FloofPaws · 25/10/2024 17:08

I think in Harry's case there's a severe case of Oedipus complex going on, he's created his mum in MM, or probably more likely MM has seen the gap and slotted herself in. He / she have killed
Off his whole family, and hers, so she can keep him away from any external people who love him, or can tell
Him what she's really like!
He himself isn't exactly the best example of a
Good person IMO but I do think MM has designed this whole situation - but as PP said it's back firing and the house of cards is falling, and can't be stopped now

He definitely had an Oedipus complex, that’s for sure. All that stuff about the cream on the penis made me shudder.
Charles seems to have the same rather emotionally stunted way of expressing himself when he talked about being Camilla’s tampon. At least Camilla isn’t his mother.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 26/10/2024 08:17

Fugliest · 25/10/2024 18:12

@GiveMeSpanakopita I agree with this assessment of their public profile - can you suggest other celebs who have followed this trajectory?

I knew someone would ask this and it's difficult to point to exact parallels because H&M's fame is driven by the royal connection which gives it an entirely different texture to 'normal' fame (and explains why their fall from sublime to ridiculous has been particularly precipitous).

Fergie in the UK in the 90s would be one. Went from Royal It girl to laughing stock. She brought it back by staying quiet and focussing on clever commercial ventures in the US, having stayed out of the limelight for a bit.

I suspect that Diana might have gone the same way, had a tragic death and subsequent beatification not intervened.

I would say an interesting parallel study is the American rapper Nicki Minaj. Between 2008 and 2016 she was rightly lauded for her lyrical skill and verbal dexterity, as well as for being one of the few female rappers to hold her own in a particularly misogynistic musical genre. She had hit after hit, awards, the lot. But then she began making missteps: she married an unrepentent sex offender, had some dreadful plastic surgery, and her music sales began to fall naturally as she aged and a new generation of female rappers began to emerge.

It's how Minaj dealt with it that really flipped the 80-20 rule against her. Since 2018 she's been behaving in increasingly bitter and narcissistic ways, harrassing people online, playing the victim, planting fake stories in the press to heroise herself and denigrate others, and weaponising her hyper aggressive core of superstans against other rappers and rap fans on social media (leading to actual harrassment charges).

As a result, she's flipped the 80-20 rule. Her every move garners clicks, but it's mostly people laughing at her. She still has her ore of rabid fans, but they're not numerous or rich enough to sustain her musical career, so her album sales continue to decline and her tours fail to sell enough to return a profit.

@EdithWeston you make an important point. The Royal Family measures its PR trajectory in centuries. Whereas 'normal' celebs measure it in years, months and in the internet age, mere days and hours. It's often said that Meghan failed to understand the RF when she married into it; I personally think she understood it just fine from a quotidian perspective, BUT, crucially, she failed to understand that the RF measures time in an entirely different way to ordinary celebs. Meghan still thinks in terms of days, weeks and months - she failed to make the transition to thinking in terms of decades and centuries, and she failed to understand (as Kate grasped well) that the RF is a centuries long PR strategy, and much, much bigger than any single individual.

JADS · 26/10/2024 08:36

@GiveMeSpanakopita thank you for the Interesting insights.

The Sarah Ferguson parallel is important. When H&M went to the US, I hoped they would look at what Sarah Ferguson did and use it as a cautionary tale. In fact, some fans even used SF as a gotcha with regards to their behaviour - using Duchess title, writing a book etc. I don't think SF has ever really made a come back, but her work ethic is impressive, producing multiple children's books, producer credits. She will always be a figure of fun.

I didn't know about Nicky Minaj. I knew she had a fall from grace but didn't know why.

I wondered if there are any male examples and if Harry is the first. I know a lot of people think his image can be rehabilitated, but I think he has taken it too far.

Needanewname42 · 26/10/2024 08:47

SF is an interesting character. Shes seen as a figure of fun. I knew about Budgie the Helicopter but didn't know she'd written other books.
Andrew stood by her when it came out she was bankrupt etc and she has stood by him when it all came out about the Epstine scandal.
I am surprised they've never remarried. I thought they would have after PP passed away.