Where is Harry?

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Just that.

I've just been watching All Creatures Great & Small on channel 5 and they have just advertised a Harry & Meghan separate lives type programme.

I'm not expecting any revelations or mike drop moments, but it feels to me like a momentum is developing.

When is the German doc due out?

I'm not expecting any revelations or mike drop moments, but it feels to me like a momentum is developing.

It's a bit weird for mainstream tv channels to add to the gossip. But I know what you mean.
If they are splitting, nothing will be announced until after the King's tour. Well not if Harry wants to build family bridges. And Meghan will have been told to keep her mouth shut too

Even sadder, their relatives are missing out on those early years and bonding with the children. They will never get those years back. It must be so intensely sad for Charles. He just doesn’t know his own grandchildren. Meanwhile they are being trained to more or less worship a photo of Diana on the wall.
Its just so very dysfunctional.

I would have thought it would be perfect timing from the Sussex point of view to derail Charles and Camilla’s tour. Harry clearly doesn’t care one whit about embarrassing his father and Meghan would delight in causing maximum disruption. She won’t be ‘told’ anything. She doesn’t care about any of them.

I think it must be hurting H now that he doesn't know his neice and nephews and vice versa. Those photos of Mike with arms round George must have hurt?

I know some will say 'oh he has his own little family' but I don't honestly think he thought walking away or writing the book would mean them freezing him out. I think he's daft and impulsive and doesn't think things through.
But I think he must have had a heck of soul searching in 2024, inc knowing the risks to Kate and Charles. And the pressure that must have been on William

She wouldn't care about them, but as always money talks!

Harry will be a very lonely man if he doesn't build bridges.

I think it’s gone far beyond building bridges. Harry might still be clinging on to Eugenie, but none of the rest of them are going to want to give him the time of day. The Spencer relatives clearly have time for him, but he hasn’t trashed and betrayed them.

It must be painful for PH to watch his family and friends together from afar (especially as he was/is a highly social person) - the big stuff eg excluded from Duke of Westminster's wedding - to all the busy stuff of christenings, childrens birthdays, his friends and families milestone birthdays - must be plenty of 40ths he's missed recently. Even all the seasonal society stuff - sports, racing, shooting etc.

I even noticed that the three Spencer daughters, PH cousins, were together with Beatrice at a charity event recently - so his cousins not even blood from either side of his family hanging out together (wonder what the chit chat was about?). Lives moving on without him and his family being part of it. He has sacrificed a lot.

I equally think it must be painful for Charles not to know his own DGC.

What a hard place to be, wanting to see your DS and DGC but not being able to trust them with your privacy or trust they won't try and sell you.

Harry quiet literally tried to "sell his Granny".

Quite simply, Harry isn't as bright as he thinks.

He's had the best education money can buy yet still couldn't pass an A-level.... Despite this, he's been forever surrounded by "yes men" who tell him he's smarter, funnier, and better looking than he actually is. This has made him think he can outsmart most people, which he cant.

Meghan saw him coming. They're the same type of person, but she's a bit cleverer.

Unfortunately for Harry there are a few things that he can't make go away, the visa issue is still rumbling on and the P. Diddy link, oh and the surf instructor rumours.
Where are those helpful men in the grey suits now Harry?
You're on your own pal.

Quite simply, Harry isn't as bright as he thinks.

And that is half his problem. He's impulsive too does things without fully thinking them through. And Meghan encourages him.

Yip the visa issue is rumbling on, if the Portugal rumours are true that might just be the reason behind the holiday house.

The Surf instructor - is just another sign the marriage is on the rocks.

I really don’t think any of this was Harry’s idea in the first place. Truly, I think Meghan is behind it all. She’s led him along like a lamb to the slaughter. He’s trusted her implicitly and believed her when she said she could get him out of the cage he felt he was living in . She assured him that the two of them could live fabulous lives in a sort of land of freedom. He fell for it hook line and sinker . I think he’s only now beginning to wake up to the cold hard reality. He’s looking around and seeing that he’s been sold a tawdry fantasy. There isn’t any way back though, and that’s going to dawn on him eventually too.

@AutumnMagpies I think you make a good point, he even said in the Oprah Winfrey interview that he didn't know 'he was trapped' until Meghan pointed it out to him.

I know posters often point out that Harry was love-bombed by Meghan and in their public appearances it is clear to see how that could be the case, looking at old footage of them with Meghan almost swooning over him, and looking at him adoringly and intently and then compare it to now where, in public at least, she treats him with obvious contempt.

Totally she swept him along with a half baked idea.
The RF saw it and starved them of all oxygen. I'm sure they (Charles and William) must have got professional advice on how to deal with the situation too.

I think they will slowly rebuild relationships with Harry and the kids but only once he is completely free of Meghans clutches. Harry needs to wake up to her in his own time.

I think a lot of the problems came from the fact that Meghan really didn’t understand the way the RF works at all. To her it was wholly negative, apart from the titles and the freebies and houses. She lacked the understanding of how Harry had been brought up and why, what the advantages were and how he was protected. She perhaps didn’t realise the value of the relationships he had with his family. All families are troubled and dysfunctional in some way, but having no family herself she just didn’t get it. She was the apple of her father’s eye with her mother on the fringes as a child, with no siblings or cousins in the scene. Their backgrounds really couldn’t be more different. I often wonder what it is they feel they have in common apart from a huge sense of entitlement and a massive bag of grievances.

I just think everything at the moment needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. When people live PR driven lives it's extremely hard to know the truth versus the spin. Whether to bury news stories or to overshadow other news, the separate lives or divorce rumours could easily be malicious gossip or a PR tactic. I do believe something is not right but I also don't believe it's what's being spun.

At best, they are over the honeymoon period. I definitely felt in Nigeria and Columbia they didn't look quite so luvvy duvvy (is that how you spell it?!) as they used to. I will take all these rumours with a pinch of salt though. I think it's people taking 2 plus 2 and making 5.

It's just fascinating watching them, and seeing how it's all playing out.

Harry must be missing his close family, the big get togethers at Balmoral and Sandringham.
Imagine knowing your Dad is hosting Christmas 'in the ballroom' with your sibling, stepsiblings, Auntie, Uncles, cousins, neices, nephews, your entire extended family - and your not invited so your at home with your own little family and your MIL.

I agree, they play the PR game in a very counter effective way.

I think they allow ludicrous rumours simmer, possibly encourage them, to be able to say, 'look at what's being said about us' and also to throw a red herring at the media.

They have shown how manipulative (and nasty) they are when it comes to how they choose to spin their stories.

There are lots of restrictions if you are a working royal, but a) there are lots of compensations and b) they chose to be working royals from day 1 (hit the ground running).

Fascinating article.

I can understand why Meghan made the mistake of thinking the crowds were for her personally and thinking it would affect the rest of the royals. That's how Hollywood works, crowds are there for you as an individual and if you are popular you rise up the pecking order.

Harry has apparently gone through life reading the tabloid stories about his mum whilst ignoring anything he ever knew about how the Royal family works. It does explain why he accused William of getting information from the press about Meghan, rather than realising the William was speaking from what he had seen. Harry seems to loathe the media whilst at the same time believing anything they write which backs up his own jealously and insecurity.

In the clash of two different experiences of hierarchies is it any wonder the wheels came off in the most damaging ways possible. I know they caused the mess they are in but I'm starting to feel sorry for them. Being your own worst enemy is so hard.

The thing is we don’t know that he isn’t invited. It’s more likely that Meghan would never want to go. In any case, it would be incredibly awkward considering what Harry had done.

That's a good point Autumn. M wouldn't be the star of the show at a big family gathering.