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Catherine Health Update

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PrettyFlyforaMaiTai · 09/09/2024 16:34

She has released a video to state that she has completed her cancer treatment.

news.sky.com/story/kate-health-update-live-kate-has-new-perspective-on-everything-as-diagnosis-to-remain-private-13211996

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Spectre8 · 10/09/2024 21:50

Tomorrowjustyouwaitandsee · 10/09/2024 21:03

Or a more balanced view might be that the PR professionals engaged by the RF are not currently very good.

When have they ever been good tbh.

Spectre8 · 10/09/2024 21:53

lemonstolemonade · 10/09/2024 17:29

@MrsFinkelstein

Is it really the case that the NHS will pay people full pay for up to a year if they are ill? That sounds amazing, far better than the perks I get in my private sector role!

Like most public sector areas, the salary isn't anywhere as good as the majority of private sector but the benefits are much better. So horses for courses...work public sector take home less salary but better benefits or work private earn more but benefits aren't as great.

Obviously caveat this about certain grades and jobs. Since I don't know about every job in public sector but on the whole that generalisation holds true for most.

IAmATorturedPoet · 10/09/2024 21:56

The majority of posters are critiquing a video and a poor PR strategy; and at* the same time they are wishing Catherine and her family well, as they would any other person going through such an awful illness.*

This ⬆️ is nothing short of an excuse to bash someone whilst trying to justify it for your own conscience.

Do tell us what you would expect to see in a video that reflects a woman’s personal cancer journey? Where has she gone wrong? what could she do better?

What a sad state of affairs.

EdithWeston · 10/09/2024 22:06

Tomorrowjustyouwaitandsee · 10/09/2024 21:03

Or a more balanced view might be that the PR professionals engaged by the RF are not currently very good.

I think they're very good.

We haven't a clue what the nature of the first procedure was, nor the type of cancer that was subsequently found, we didn't know her forwards treatment path (only learning of the end of chemo when it was completed).

They didn't cave in to the mob who couldn't understand that "off until Easter" meant there wouldn't be frequent updates, stuck to an entirely suitable line, and did precisely nothing about the cesspit of truly vile posts on SM. And we now see that for what it was - just plain nasty, and ring-led by some individuals who were not neutral players. The fuss about the photoshopping was pretty ridiculous too - fairly minor alterations from pix taken together (if you believe the actual analysis, rather than the SM claims), then one message when the DC had just broken up (timed to give them privacy, I assume) then one now, setting out that she's not out of the woods and will be seen only occasionally.

Their role isn't to appease the mob, give in to the "if they just released a statement/picture/video it'll all go away" nonsense. Their role is to give the information that she wants released and only that information, at suitable key moments only (now it's the start of term, so it's setting out the stall for what to expect in the next few months, and giving an update just as the DC go back to school and meet up and chat to their friends). It does seem arranged to protect the DC, and that's a good priority to have

Whispery · 10/09/2024 22:13

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wordler · 10/09/2024 22:14

I liked the video - obviously, it isn't going to be to everyone's taste - I doubt you could create something that would suit everybody's tastes.

But it's clearly designed to do a multipart job and is aimed at several different 'audiences' that senior members of the royal family and particularly the heir and family need to address.

This video is aimed at three distinct groups:

  1. The general public - covers those who are interested because they like the royal family and those who have an interest in what the future head of state's family is doing.
  2. The Press - the current media beast is desperate for content all the time and they prefer videos and pictures. What they'd love is to be able to score exclusive content where they get to film and interview the family themselves or the old fashioned press conference where they set up a bank of cameras and get to shout questions and cameras are firing all around.
  3. The historical narrative - The Wales are the future King and Queen - their publicly recorded actions become the latest chapter in historical records covering a thousand year old institution.

As a piece of content viewed under those conditions the video works very well for all three groups in different ways.

For the public it's an update, it's aiming to be explanatory about where things stand and a little uplifting, entertaining and a small insight into 'off duty' activities. I noticed Kate isn't wearing the 'Big Blue' which along with her pant suits and coatdresses seems to be 'work uniform'. It also is aiming for a 'connection' on a personal level which you wouldn't get from a printed written statement. It also addresses some of the grumbles from reactions to the past year's communication palavas. (photoshopped photos, short sterile statements with little explanation, no William looking supportive on the bench etc)

For the press it's highly content rich - the statement itself is long and very quotable, the video offers the option for short clips and full sections, the range of still images that can be taken are very varied, it has the latest view of the kids, a rare glimpse inside Anmer Hall, and rarer still the first proper smoochies since the wedding balcony. The media beast will be well fed for a while and give the communications team a break from daily calls on what's happening with Catherine etc.

For the history books and future interested audiences it's a little snapshot of the modern royal family - similar to those shots of Philip doing the BBQ etc, and the Queen's family home movies. It will be part of many university courses and discussions on how public figures have reacted to the changing media landscape.

I think it was a bold and interesting choice - honestly those who really hate it are likely to have been critical of anything they released.

EdithWeston · 10/09/2024 22:20

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What's the royal rota got to do with it?

I know it's been badly and persistently misrepresented, but the royal rota is a press pool system, whereby royal engagements that are in venues too small for a full press pack, or for whatever reason many organisations don't want to send a full team, they share, in turns (ie on a rota, hence the name) staff to cover the event; typically one for video, one stills photographer and one writer. Then the material is made available to the whole pool

It's not some privileged inner circle; they don't get special briefings (and indeed might be quire junior/new staff, as it's fairly straightforward and involves watching a lot or ribbon-cutting in wet Wigan etc)

And getting this wrong does suggest that the sources on which you base other comments might be awry as well

AtYourOwnRisk · 10/09/2024 22:26

IAmATorturedPoet · 10/09/2024 21:56

The majority of posters are critiquing a video and a poor PR strategy; and at* the same time they are wishing Catherine and her family well, as they would any other person going through such an awful illness.*

This ⬆️ is nothing short of an excuse to bash someone whilst trying to justify it for your own conscience.

Do tell us what you would expect to see in a video that reflects a woman’s personal cancer journey? Where has she gone wrong? what could she do better?

What a sad state of affairs.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with anyone’s ’cancer journey’ (in itself a revoltingly twee Insta-phrase — when I had cancer, I just had it, much the way I had a broken leg or cellulitis). It’s a piece of carefully-crafted PR to make populist claims for a family set apart in privilege because of its bloodline.

Tomorrowjustyouwaitandsee · 10/09/2024 23:10

IAmATorturedPoet · 10/09/2024 21:56

The majority of posters are critiquing a video and a poor PR strategy; and at* the same time they are wishing Catherine and her family well, as they would any other person going through such an awful illness.*

This ⬆️ is nothing short of an excuse to bash someone whilst trying to justify it for your own conscience.

Do tell us what you would expect to see in a video that reflects a woman’s personal cancer journey? Where has she gone wrong? what could she do better?

What a sad state of affairs.

This ⬆️ is nothing short of an excuse to bash someone whilst trying to justify it for your own conscience.

Excuse me? It absolutely is not.

If you have not understood the genuine misgivings about this video already put forward by those suffering from cancer on this thread and those worried about social inequalities then I’m afraid I cannot help you further.

Theunamedcat · 10/09/2024 23:11

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Kate has cosplayed meghan? Have you seen meghans hair lately?

Ohpleeeease · 10/09/2024 23:23

Papergirl1968 · 10/09/2024 17:56

Er, my bit of the West Midlands is approx 95 miles from the coast (Clevedon, north of Weston-Super-Mare). Weston is about 110 miles. I’ve been to Weston and it’s rathr muddy beach. Not been to Clevedon but I understand it’s basically Bristol Channel/Severn estuary.
I wish we had the sea on our doorstep.

Known affectionately as Weston-Super-Mud, pretty much quicksand.

Not all of the bits where the land meets the sea are lovely sandy dune filled stretches.

IAmATorturedPoet · 10/09/2024 23:26

If you have not understood the genuine misgivings about this video already put forward by those suffering from cancer on this thread and those worried about social inequalities then I’m afraid I cannot help you further.

I’ll ask again, what you would expect to see in a video that reflects a woman’s personal cancer journey? Where has she gone wrong? what could she do better? What would you have liked to see?

BigWillyLittleTodger · 10/09/2024 23:53

IAmATorturedPoet · 10/09/2024 21:56

The majority of posters are critiquing a video and a poor PR strategy; and at* the same time they are wishing Catherine and her family well, as they would any other person going through such an awful illness.*

This ⬆️ is nothing short of an excuse to bash someone whilst trying to justify it for your own conscience.

Do tell us what you would expect to see in a video that reflects a woman’s personal cancer journey? Where has she gone wrong? what could she do better?

What a sad state of affairs.

Yes it’s just like the posts who when tearing into Kate re the Mother’s Day card that it was all due to a sudden interest in palace comms! No it was just a handy cover to spill their spite that’s always been there and they use it as a convenient excuse to spout their bile, probably the same posters posting who took great delight on those threads, who conveniently have name changed now.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 11/09/2024 00:03

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The only one doing cos playing is “I see dead people” Meghan who tries so very very hard to imitate Diana and falls short every time, and as for Kate trying to emulate Meghan, that’s just too funny!

IAmATorturedPoet · 11/09/2024 00:11

BigWillyLittleTodger · 10/09/2024 23:53

Yes it’s just like the posts who when tearing into Kate re the Mother’s Day card that it was all due to a sudden interest in palace comms! No it was just a handy cover to spill their spite that’s always been there and they use it as a convenient excuse to spout their bile, probably the same posters posting who took great delight on those threads, who conveniently have name changed now.

Exactly @BigWillyLittleTodger

I am definitely having a case of Deja vu on this thread. I remember very clearly the Mother’s Day thread, who knew that so many Mumnetters could suddenly have an interest in palace comms😁. Similar is definately being played out here, maybe a few of the same posters 🤷‍♀️.

IAmATorturedPoet · 11/09/2024 00:23

Just thought I’d post these here:

Dame Laura Lee, the chief executive of Maggie’s charity, which supports cancer patients and their families, said: “It is fantastic news that the Princess of Wales has finished her chemotherapy, and it will benefit so many people living with cancer to see her come through treatment and share this video.

A spokesperson for Macmillan Cancer Support said: “We’re grateful to the princess for being so open about her experience as this will no doubt give hope to many others going through similar experiences, and encourage more open conversations about the impact cancer can have on people’s lives.”

Michelle Mitchell, Cancer Research UK’s chief executive, commended Kate’s bravery and said she had helped to bring “attention to an experience faced by nearly one in two of us, and prompts us all to reflect on our own health and listen to our bodies”.

Tomorrowjustyouwaitandsee · 11/09/2024 00:33

wordler · 10/09/2024 22:14

I liked the video - obviously, it isn't going to be to everyone's taste - I doubt you could create something that would suit everybody's tastes.

But it's clearly designed to do a multipart job and is aimed at several different 'audiences' that senior members of the royal family and particularly the heir and family need to address.

This video is aimed at three distinct groups:

  1. The general public - covers those who are interested because they like the royal family and those who have an interest in what the future head of state's family is doing.
  2. The Press - the current media beast is desperate for content all the time and they prefer videos and pictures. What they'd love is to be able to score exclusive content where they get to film and interview the family themselves or the old fashioned press conference where they set up a bank of cameras and get to shout questions and cameras are firing all around.
  3. The historical narrative - The Wales are the future King and Queen - their publicly recorded actions become the latest chapter in historical records covering a thousand year old institution.

As a piece of content viewed under those conditions the video works very well for all three groups in different ways.

For the public it's an update, it's aiming to be explanatory about where things stand and a little uplifting, entertaining and a small insight into 'off duty' activities. I noticed Kate isn't wearing the 'Big Blue' which along with her pant suits and coatdresses seems to be 'work uniform'. It also is aiming for a 'connection' on a personal level which you wouldn't get from a printed written statement. It also addresses some of the grumbles from reactions to the past year's communication palavas. (photoshopped photos, short sterile statements with little explanation, no William looking supportive on the bench etc)

For the press it's highly content rich - the statement itself is long and very quotable, the video offers the option for short clips and full sections, the range of still images that can be taken are very varied, it has the latest view of the kids, a rare glimpse inside Anmer Hall, and rarer still the first proper smoochies since the wedding balcony. The media beast will be well fed for a while and give the communications team a break from daily calls on what's happening with Catherine etc.

For the history books and future interested audiences it's a little snapshot of the modern royal family - similar to those shots of Philip doing the BBQ etc, and the Queen's family home movies. It will be part of many university courses and discussions on how public figures have reacted to the changing media landscape.

I think it was a bold and interesting choice - honestly those who really hate it are likely to have been critical of anything they released.

This is a very interesting take and although I disagree with some of the points, especially the last paragraph, it’s good to be able to address the subject in hand rather than unpleasant personal comments and wholly incorrect assumptions.

To take the last first, I can only speak for myself, but I have only been critical of C & W’s PR strategies in the past. Despite their immense privilege they seemed like well intentioned people in a difficult situation but this video seems like a strange departure from the norm and portrays them as not as “down to earth” as I previously believed them to be. I’m not sure this is altogether a good thing.

It was said that the late Queen banned further broadcasting of the documentary in which Prince Philip BBQ’d sausages because she realised that portraying such an idealised version of the family held inherent dangers.

And so it came to pass in her annus horribilis by which time three out of her four dc were divorced or divorcing and the family suddenly didn’t look so ideal any more. She had the nouse to realise that a RF has the same issues as anyone else but just in more sumptuous surroundings, and under more public scrutiny.

Let’s just say, I am not sure that C and W’s PR professionals have entirely understood these past lessons.

And most important of all, I am not sure they thought enough about how this film would come across to ordinary cancer patients suffering in the NHS system.

I totally agree that the press who not only hold far too much sway in this country, squander the influence they have, are insatiable and it is at least a piece of film which “feeds the beast” and in which C and W are in control of the narrative to the extent that they ever can be in their position.

The insightful article by Marina Hyde linked below addresses the same point. The tabloid press abhor a vacuum because it cuts in to their profits. And I think it was naive of KP officials to expect the tabloids and broadcast media to be satisfied with the original “Catherine will be off for three months until Easter” statement. Of course that simple explanation should be enough, and for most sensible members of the general public, it certainly was, but in the avaricious hungry climate whipped up by the gutter press, it very sadly wasn’t.

How much C & W pander to this insatiable demand is a very difficult question to answer.

As a pp said, I think they would have avoided the worst of the speculation had more frequent updates been supplied. Catherine has a right to privacy and of course has young dc who need more protecting, but everyone can see that KC’s strategy worked better. Maybe a compromise could have been found that protected C’s privacy while at the same time being slightly more transparent or at least was updated more regularly?

Very respectfully, I think that is one reason why this video doesn’t work so well because there is so much dissonance between the intimacy of the scenes within it and the lack of transparency in the information supplied?

Incidentally, the point that Marina Hyde fails to make is that the late Queen could have avoided coming to London quite so soon after Diana’s death and could have protected W & H at Balmoral for longer, had the BP PR strategy been better, and more transparent, with an earlier update. Instead there was the same vacuum. You would think the Palace and KP PR staff would learn from past experiences like this?

Finally, yes, I suppose it’s a sort of snapshot for the history books but I think the video will feature in more university courses on image control rather than how institutions update their social media messaging!

As you say, there will be a number of royal supporters to whom this video appeals. And I am sure it does fit better in the context of Instagram rather than in print media. I am not sure that it will draw in younger supporters who are a bit too knowing about how these shoots are put together, but perhaps the forty-five and above age range?

Tomorrowjustyouwaitandsee · 11/09/2024 00:45

BigWillyLittleTodger · 10/09/2024 23:53

Yes it’s just like the posts who when tearing into Kate re the Mother’s Day card that it was all due to a sudden interest in palace comms! No it was just a handy cover to spill their spite that’s always been there and they use it as a convenient excuse to spout their bile, probably the same posters posting who took great delight on those threads, who conveniently have name changed now.

Here we go again! More insulting nonsense!

I am interested in comms thank you very much!

We are all different and just because some of us don’t look at the world in exactly the way you do, doesn’t mean we are wrong or somehow have nasty intentions or whatever you are getting at.

For those of us who work in academia, we tend to be interested in many issues surrounding the RF and what that says about the UK, rather than the RF itself! I hope that’s ok with you *BigWillyLittleTodger *or do I need express permission from you to post a different viewpoint to your own?

BigWillyLittleTodger · 11/09/2024 01:11

You sound terribly cross, particularly for an apparent first time poster to the royal family threads, unless of course this isn’t your first rodeo…….maybe start your own thread on palace comms as you find it so fascinating?

Tomorrowjustyouwaitandsee · 11/09/2024 06:01

BigWillyLittleTodger · 11/09/2024 01:11

You sound terribly cross, particularly for an apparent first time poster to the royal family threads, unless of course this isn’t your first rodeo…….maybe start your own thread on palace comms as you find it so fascinating?

With respect you have literally and incorrectly
accused posters of “spilling spite” and “spouting bile” BigWillyLittleTodger for the sake of it , so perhaps you should reflect on your own posting style?

Thedom · 11/09/2024 06:13

The video broke the internet, their instagram reel alone has been viewed over 30 million times.

It was front page news around the world, the majority of comments are hugely positive and Catherine, William and their children, have massive support and admiration for how they have managed this dreadful period of their life.

The 'where is Kate' gang, the ones who blamed their PR as the reason for their ghoulish interest and their horrid stalking of Princess Catherines during her illness, are still around and still using the same excuse of 'palace PR failure' in an effort to diminish the popularity and respect in which Catherine is held.

Serenster · 11/09/2024 06:22

And most important of all, I am not sure they thought enough about how this film would come across to ordinary cancer patients suffering in the NHS system.

I find this a strange comment. Do you think that other cancer patients don’t reflect on how their experiences had made them reassess what’s important to them? That they can’t spend time with their family? Can’t spend a day in a country park or at a beach?

AnnieMcFanny · 11/09/2024 06:23

At least MN has taken some action and zapped at least one vile thread full of bile and medical misinformation

I was trying to post my reply to the OP when the extremely ugly thread was removed and I’m still wishing I could have posted my reply. It was a lesson in that fact that over time a diagnosis of stage 1A cancer can also have as much of a bloody awful outcome as a stage 4 diagnosis. People think with stage 1A for eg you skip out of the consultants office and go off and lead your life but I wish that were true. Actually I’m going to post my reply ti that thread here because it really needs to be said. The first para is the initial post*

I'm not minimising the fact cancer "was" present, but the whole show about being a cancer sufferer and survivor is a slap in the face for millions living with this disease

My stage 1A Mucinous ovarian cancer was cancer. The clue is in the name. My cancer is very real. Or at least the Drs think so which is why I was filleted like a fish and had an almost 6kg cyst removed as well as having every abdominal and gynae organ that I could live without removed.

The POW will know what her cancer was called because it’s real. Her Drs will know also.

My cancer is very rare. Only about 700 cases recorded in the world annually. It’s also treatment resistant and if it does come back I don’t have the treatment options that other cancers may have. Yes, they can have a go with one type of chemo but in reality I’ll more than likely have 15 months following it returning.

The fact is that you have no idea what you’re talking about and are best ignored. My story is a reality of a stage 1A diagnosis and I have feeling based on what the Princess has been through her situation is very similar to mine though I’ve no idea what part of her anatomy was affected.

Im almost 4 years out from my surgery. One more year and I’ll be discharged from yearly scans etc and said to be in remission. I can only wish. My worry and fear is as real as anyone else’s.

You really should shut up.

Tomorrowjustyouwaitandsee · 11/09/2024 06:47

Serenster · 11/09/2024 06:22

And most important of all, I am not sure they thought enough about how this film would come across to ordinary cancer patients suffering in the NHS system.

I find this a strange comment. Do you think that other cancer patients don’t reflect on how their experiences had made them reassess what’s important to them? That they can’t spend time with their family? Can’t spend a day in a country park or at a beach?

I’m talking about inequalities that have already been mentioned many times Serenster; cancer patients who have had their operations cancelled three times. Someone in my family has had their stoma reversal surgery delayed and delayed. This has direct financial implications for them as they do a very active job.

People who are unable to afford a holiday with their dc because cancer has caused financial and material hardship. people who can’t afford the coach ticket to the beach fhs!

Or self employed patients who need time off because they feel wretched but have to keep working or otherwise their dc don’t get fed and the mortgage doesn’t get paid.

Tomorrowjustyouwaitandsee · 11/09/2024 06:52

Thedom · 11/09/2024 06:13

The video broke the internet, their instagram reel alone has been viewed over 30 million times.

It was front page news around the world, the majority of comments are hugely positive and Catherine, William and their children, have massive support and admiration for how they have managed this dreadful period of their life.

The 'where is Kate' gang, the ones who blamed their PR as the reason for their ghoulish interest and their horrid stalking of Princess Catherines during her illness, are still around and still using the same excuse of 'palace PR failure' in an effort to diminish the popularity and respect in which Catherine is held.

So by your reckoning, anyone who doesn’t like this video and found it overly idealised and rather tone deaf is automatically a ghoul? I see 🙄

I doubt even Catherine and William themselves would take that aporoach!