Meghans trademark not allowed

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The patent office apparently has turned down the trademark of Meghans new jam making business American Riviera Orchard on the grounds that you can't trademark geographical locations. You would have thought somebody would have picked up on this before now.

Meghan's biological clock was ticking away so, to have the family he obviously craved, they had to get a move on. As to William and his apology - perhaps it's to say sorry for being angry/annoyed/pissed off with Harry for his behaviour since leaving the RF. Perhaps he was meant to take it all on the chin and declare 'Aw, he's my brother, what a dude!'.

🤣🤣🤣🤣 seriously? It says that? Oh my days,... I just can't 🤣🤣🤣

I'm not sure whether a longer period would have made much of a difference. He was clearly desperate for a life partner, his previous two having split from him because they didn't want all the stuff that goes along with marriage into the RF. She seems to have been equally desperate for the enormous status bump, for not having to hustle any more.

Tina Brown quotes one of W&H's aides saying that if you want to know the difference between them, look at what they did with their identical helicopter training: W to search & rescue, needing caution, planning and patience: H to Apaches, needing bravery to the point of recklessness, split second reactions and the ability to live in the moment. I thought it was a very interesting point.

I don’t think marrying someone after a relatively short relationship is a problem in itself. There are plenty of successful marriages that start like that. The problem was more that neither of them gave any real thought to the fact that this marriage came with a lot more “baggage” than most normal marriages would do. Marrying in to the Royal Family, especially to a high profile member of the family, is a whole different kettle of fish in terms of the attention it would arouse and the also the fact that the marriage comes with a job and expectations attached. That is presumably why William and others were concerned at the speed at which things were moving. Admittedly, there was probably a desire to move quickly because they wanted children, but maybe outside observers had seen that there was no real effort by the couple to address the wider implications of the marriage and be sure Meghan was prepared for them. Which, with hindsight, she wasn’t

I have said it before on threads about this pair but it is HARRY's fault that she was so unprepared. She clearly had one idea what it was like to be a "Princess" and live in a palace and the rest of it. It was Harry's job to give her the truth and tell her what it was going to be like for her, she was joining his world when she would be expect to curtsey to his sister-in-law and open community centres in Slough as often as attending glitzy premieres. He totally failed to do that. She got a massive shock to the system when she moved over here and I don't think he understood why she was struggling so much.

Oh do stop 😆

We don’t know that though. He might have told her all that and she says ‘sure Harry of course I’m ok with that’ knowing full well she wasn’t going to be happy doing that and had no intention of doing it. I’m not saying that’s what happened I’m saying we don’t know it didn’t.

Yes. I should have said this was in the context of their particular situation. Many people have happy marriages after a short courtship. This one needed a lot more thought before diving in to the deep end.

Well yes, it was mainly down to Harry, but I do think his lack of explaining was compounded by the fact that Meghan clearly thinks she knows best and doesn’t seem to want to listen to or take any advice. Remember she was offered several mentors and rejected all of them. She also wanted to “modernise” the RF and “hit the ground running”. She genuinely seems to have thought that the ancient institution she was joining would change overnight because of her. That why I think she was struggling, along with the fact that despite all the wealth surrounding the RF. it didn’t seem to be making its way in to her pockets

Bit calculating though, @BunnyLake ? I don't think she went into it with the long game plan of isolating him from his family and making him clearly very unhappy. I just think she had a Disney idea of being Royal and got a very hard reality check which she couldn't deal with. Neither of them come across as particularly smart and analytical, considering the long term outcomes and strategy - back to the trademark thing. Put a bit of thinking, effort and strategy into these major decisions and you mitigate risk. Common sense.

the behaviour of someone with precious little intelligence.

Another way to look at it, would be the behaviour of a person vulnerable to the lovebombing of a narcissist.

I don't doubt that Harry is of relatively low academic and emotional intelligence as there is plenty of other evidence to suggest it. But drawing on my experience of my abusive and narcissist ex (NOT saying M is an abuser btw!) then I believe that M knew exactly what buttons to press and pressed them.

embodying a pastiche of Diana, pretending she loved camping in Botswana, triggering Harry's paranoia of the media....it's all there.

Tina Brown quotes one of W&H's aides saying that if you want to know the difference between them, look at what they did with their identical helicopter training: W to search & rescue, needing caution, planning and patience: H to Apaches, needing bravery to the point of recklessness, split second reactions and the ability to live in the moment. I thought it was a very interesting point.

How much of William's choice was his free choice though? As he was in the direct line, he would not have been allowed to deploy operationally, so it's a waste of a training spot to let him go on to Apaches. It's the Spares, Andrew and then Harry, who have flown in combat.

What I agree on is that it shows something of William's character that he got stuck in to the less glamorous role and carried it out well. William has been prepared for his role as king in many ways and for many years. Harry might have turned out quite differently if he'd been brought up with the same expectations and training.

Thing is, it's easy to laugh at passages like that, or the one about him putting his mum's brand of face cream on his willy.

But look at it through the lens of a psychotherapist or a drugs counsellor and you get a very different picture.

The book's a disaster really. It reveals Harry as a deeply damaged, angry, spiteful and arrogant person. And that's AFTER it's been through the stringent filter of a professional ghostwriter. God only knows what the original transcripts were like.

I found it quite dark really.

his previous two having split from him because they didn't want all the stuff that goes along with marriage into the RF.

I think Harry likes to spin that tale as the main reason..

However, Harry was the one who broke up with Cressida and apparently she was very upset about it.

Chelsy broke up with Harry, and while he likes to blame the RF and media, I imagine it was probably the other factors during their time together that made her realise she didn't want to be tied to a loser, drug and alcohol abuse, lap dancing, falling out of clubs hammered, fighting with reporters etc.. Plus they had a very on and off relationship for years.

Harry was reportedly really mean with money, and his partying and friends came before his girlfriends. I imagine the main reason the relationships didn't work out was because of Harry himself. But he could never admit that.

Didn't Harry make Cressida pay £800 on an airfare to attend one of his friend's weddings and she wasn't happy about it? I think he was quite a cheapskate hence the bean bags in Nottingham Cottage. I can't imagine Wills and Catherine making do with bean bags. Lazy and cheap are two not very appealing qualities, it would have been easy for him to apportion blame on his brother.

But look at it through the lens of a psychotherapist or a drugs counsellor and you get a very different picture.

The book's a disaster really. It reveals Harry as a deeply damaged, angry, spiteful and arrogant person. And that's AFTER it's been through the stringent filter of a professional ghostwriter. God only knows what the original transcripts were like.

I found it quite dark really.

I agree, the book was a complete disaster and any reputable therapist/doctor would have advised against publishing not only something that’s burns all your bridges but turns you into a figure of fun. All that material should have stayed between the four walls of the therapist’s office and worked through in private. No one needs to know about his genitals, losing his virginity in a field or his deep seated issue over the extra sausage and the bigger bedroom.

It certainly may does make you wonder what on earth was in the discarded material that apparently was sufficient enough to make another book. The mind boggles!

Tina Brown quotes one of W&H's aides saying that if you want to know the difference between them, look at what they did with their identical helicopter training: W to search & rescue, needing caution, planning and patience: H to Apaches, needing bravery to the point of recklessness, split second reactions and the ability to live in the moment. I thought it was a very interesting point.

Like at least one other poster I’m not sure I agree entirely with that, I don’t think the roles they ended up necessarily prove a difference in character.

Both roles can require significant bravery planning and patience, nobody want’s anyone reckless near a helicopter, and TBH the split seconds reaction requirement is a bit of a media myth…..

W went effectively down the RAF career path which would lead to either Search and Rescue or mostly support helicopter flying (things like Chinooks)…that may well have been because of a desire by the grey suits to slightly reduce the risk to the heir to the throne, though “slightly” when it comes to helicopters is relative, as witnessed by events this week.

H went down the Army road which would almost certainly feed into an attack helicopter position, and then the question is that that simply down to H’s character and wishes or in part down to the grey suits liking and approving of having supposed “warrior prince”.

Meghan refused all offers of help and support . The dossier was binned . We keep being told how smart she is ; I am 100% sure she did a LOT of googling before she married !
She didn’t want to live in a palace like W and C , she wanted to live in a Castle like a proper Princess !

I think it was six of one and half a dozen of the other, as it often is in cases of folie a deux.

Harry told her some bits but avoided going into just how constrained royal life is because he was terrified of putting her off.

Meghan is smarter than Harry, so she probably figured out the constraints herself but, because she is also a narcissist, thought they wouldn't apply to her because she is just so special and wonderful and she would show all those silly old fuddy-duddies exactly how it should REALLY be done.

We know that the constraints showed up early on but instead of working with them, Harry and M fought against them, with Harry stamping around the palace shouting 'what Meghan wants, Meghan gets'.

And possibly he did also believe that she could change the RF for the best.

Although more likely he was so bowled over by her skill at chicken roasting her kindness and commitment to humanitarianism that he glossed over all problems or kicked the can down the road in the hope that everything would magically sort itself out later.

She thinks she knows better than anyone. She thought she could revamp the royals. If she doesn't get her own way that's it. No compromise. It's a pattern.

So what’s the bets on an actual name change for ARO?

Her PR have been putting out that Kim K changed her name from kimono to skims and it was still successful. So I’m guessing that’s the route they are taking.

If she does change the name and obviously logo, the press will have a field day.

I think it’s symbolic to her approach to everything- rush in, play acting at what you think the role involves, don’t listen to advice, get caught out for it…..so then try at something else you have no knowledge of/expertise in….rinse, repeat

I think it’s symbolic to her approach to everything- rush in, play acting at what you think the role involves, don’t listen to advice, get caught out for it…..so then try at something else you have no knowledge of/expertise in….rinse, repeat.

They clearly don't listen to advice because this is a classic case in point.

But the more you don't listen to advice and make absolutely basic mistakes the less credibility you have. It shows an utter lack of judgement and wilful disregard for sound business sense. This is why so many staff of theirs have left.

In turn this is then hugely off putting for future endeavours with others who don't want the negativity reflected on them either. It becomes a downward spiral.

Big but, I don't think they recognise this. If they did, they would have taken stock, taken advice, listened to it, acted slowly and surely to build on something tangible.

It really is supremely arrogant to assume that you know better than others with experience and credibility in the field that you are trying to break into. Even more so when they obviously have the resources currently to pay for sound business and strategic planning with all that involves. It's almost like a double whammy of stupidity.

If I was CEO of a lifestyle brand I'm afraid I would not entertain any business collaboration going on past performance to date. Wasted opportunities on a mega scale spring to mind.

Why do they not update their website?

sussexroyal.com/monarchy/

Oh wow, the first image shows Meghan wearing the infamous South Park outfit. You’d have thought that, at least, would be a priority to change. More broadly, probably another example of that well-publicised whip-smart attention to detail.

It's a shame South Park used that one, because I really think it was a beautiful outfit and she looked wonderful in it.