Duke of Sussex : "potentially initiate a partial return to the royal fold"

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Duke of Sussex asks former aides to help plot RETURN from his US exile in first stage of 'rehabilitation' strategy: Prince's friends vow to help smooth path back and dub it 'Operation Bring Harry In From The Cold' | Daily Mail Online

After everything he has said and done........

‘Perhaps if they were to sign a NDA, Harry could serve the royal family in some way and Archie and Lilibet get to know their grandfather.’

Archie and the unfortunately named Lilibet have two grandfathers, one a lot geographically closer than England, but they don’t seem to have much chance of meeting him, either.

For children who have three first cousins, many second cousins (Anne’s grandchildren, Andrew’s grandchildren) plenty of aunts and uncles on both sides of their family, they know just one: Meghan’s mother. I have less family than almost anyone I know ( only child of only children ) so I don’t have much understanding of extended families and their benefits . Even I knew my grandparents , though.

@ThatAvidViewer they only wanted half in so they could keep a free house here, free security, free money etc etc. dont want them back, they are a horrible pair!!!

I can strongly recommend the book ‘ Meghan and Harry The Real Story’ by Lady Colin Campbell, who has access to royal insiders and royal cousins. It’s the closest to getting the views of the royals who of course cannot comment. She has also written an updated version.

You're probably right, smilesy, but talking about the general principle here, the really tragic thing is that constantly rolling over for a partner's demands doesn't even work in the end.
All it earns is contempt, while the demands continue to ramp up, the gameplaying worsens and the one doing the trying loses all self respect

And if that's Harry then god help him

they only wanted half in so they could keep a free house here, free security, free money etc etc.

And so they could trade on their royal status. As the Queen reportedly said 'you work for the monarchy. The monarchy doesn't work for you.'

They probably only wanted the glamourous bits anyway - premiers, balcony appearances, state banquets with all the bling. Not, as someone said on a previous thread, turning up to open a community centre in Wigan on a wet Wednesday.

As you say, it doesn’t seem like a worthwhile relation in many ways, but Harry seems to be clinging in on to it for all he’s worth 🤷‍♀️

Well, yes but they're married with two kids and he left his country to be with her in her country and burned every last bridge that means he can easily go home - so he doesn't have a lot of choices! Bottom line - his kids are resident in CA, they're US citizens and he won't be able to move them without MM's say so, so good luck to him with that.

But I do think the wheels are coming off their relationship. I think initially he was madly in love with her and would do ANYTHING to keep her happy, including pissing off members of his family, moving to CA and burning everything in his wake. She was at least madly in love with all that a relationship with him could offer her in terms of fame, freebies and the chance to get stinking rich.

But they are are SO different! The fact that when she met his friends they all hated her tells you everything you need to know. This woman did not fit into Harry's world AT ALL. They have nothing in common. She's an actress and influencer from La-La Land and he's a member of the British landed gentry who enjoys shooting, fishing, bawdy jokes with his mates, whose happiest times were spent in the army surrounded by a bunch of blokes like him. Where is the common ground now that the sexual attraction has worn off?

Personally, I think they're in the process of quietly separating. She is trying to make a go of ARO, being an influencer, making money from kickbacks from designers she promotes by wearing their stuff. And he's doing what exactly? Just the same old stuff as he did in the UK - Invictus, African Parks, Sentebale - he doesn't know what else to do! Spotify was a bust, Netflix are dropping them as soon as their contract runs out, his job with BetterUp is just as a figurehead, I'm guessing the Travelyst thing is much the same - he does a speech for them once a year or something and that's it.

I don't believe he wants to be back with Meghan and the children, surely he wants to come and go to family stuff and parties and royal events as and when? The US will always be his home (unless they divorce and even then the children will still be there), but a rapprochement between him and his father and brother would allow him more freedom of movement between the US and the UK. How his security detail would work though is anybody's guess! So, I don't think he wants back in to The Firm but he's fed up with being an outcast from the family and his friends. As my gran used to say - I want doesn't get.

I agree with all of that.

He's pretty much trapped, which is ironic given how he's described his brother's situation. His children are going to grow up in California so unless he wants to be that parent who only sees his kid a few times a year, that's where he will have to stay too. And he has very publicly given up everything for this marriage, so admitting to failure would be a huge humiliation for him. So this is his life now.

I also agree that they're completely different, with nothing in common other than their neuroses. However, I think they'll stick together at least for the moment, as they both have so much invested, financially and emotionally, in the marriage. Without him, she's frankly just another ageing D list actress. ARO, if it ever happens, isn't going to make serious money. But I'm not sure what options are left to either of them at this stage.

a rapprochement between him and his father and brother would allow him more freedom of movement between the US and the UK.

I don't understand this. Lots of people fall out with family and move to another country. That doesn't prevent them visiting their home country.

I truly believe that’s what he’s done. He only has to look at her relationship/friendship history to see that once people have stopped being of any use to her she moves on. I think he’s having massive regrets. I think she’s a difficult person to keep happy. To me he looks worried and pissed off. He did what she wanted (leave the UK and revile his family). Things haven’t quite gone her way so my guess is he’ll be dumped soon

Well, yes but they're married with two kids and he left his country to be with her in her country and burned every last bridge that means he can easily go home - so he doesn't have a lot of choices! Bottom line - his kids are resident in CA, they're US citizens and he won't be able to move them without MM's say so, so good luck to him with that

I agree this is indeed his problem and goes back to what I said about Harry having bent over backwards to appease Meghan in order to hang on to her. He didn’t really think through what would happen if anything ever went wrong with their relationship (not that it has, but the possibility is always there) and what it would mean for him to be stuck in the US if he no longer wanted to be there

I doubt very much if this is true, he's made it very clear how he feels about his family and the establishment so why would he want to come back?

I would imagine he’s homesick and ironically misses his family and friends.

It’s not easy to up root and settle in another country without feeling nostalgic for everything that you have known all your life.

Of course he has his wife and family but most people have that (although obviously not always) together with the structure of a working life that gives them a sense of purpose. Interests and hobbies also friends add other dimensions to day to day life.

He sounds as though he lives quite an insulated life now and when you think of how large his wider family are and what he has been used to in the past that’s quite a transition to make in itself. Let alone effectively ostracising himself from them all due to his and their ill thought out actions.

Prior to this period in his life, everything before was quite different and I would think you need emotional resilience, intelligence and grit to carve out a fulsome future and take on board sound guidance from others. Sadly I don’t think that’s the case here.

I don’t understand either. It’s not going to change the RAVEC decision on security.

Its clear with notice H can have appropriate security and a place to stay. However, he won’t be an IPP and get full security even if he does come back to the UK, he will get what Princess Anne etc get.

You do understand that different people respond to trauma in different ways? Some women recover surprisingly well after being raped, others are long term deeply traumatised. Are you scathing about the latter group of women too?

Do you also understand that people can have different experiences within the same family? Harry lost his mother at a younger age than William. He also lived in a deeply hierachical family where he could never ascend to the top job through effort or skill.

Do you also understand that people process trauma differently? Some internalise their distress and others act it out.

Harry lost his mother at a young age, and has had to live in the life that he blamed for his Mother's death and in a family that operates in competing households and a family that is notoriously rule bound and repressed. As well as being born into the pressure of living in the public eye and not being able to carve out your own way in life, based on who you are and what you like or are good at. There is not support group for all that . There no AA equivalent, or third sector support line you can phone for that.

When I read threads about Harry, I don't think, ' Jeez that Harry, what a wanker', I think, ' Jeez, people have not the fucking ability to understand a life that is not their's if they can just dismiss this guy as a twat, without ever thinking, 'maybe his weird and strange and deeply damaging childhood and family he was born into had something to do with how he turned out.'

Of course it's possible to acknowledge that his upbringing has contributed massively to how he's turned out. However, betraying your entire family, selling their private moments for money, embarrassing and humiliating his brother and father, and his grandmother who happened to be Queen, is just absolutely unforgivable. Then having the gall to expect to be welcomed back into the fold when the money runs out. It's beyond atrocious.

I think he'll be dumped once he inherits the money from the QM because she'll get half in a settlement I assume. Though I'm guessing everything is subject to the law in California, and I don't know how that works.

When I read threads about Harry, I don't think, ' Jeez that Harry, what a wanker', I think, ' Jeez, people have not the fucking ability to understand a life that is not their's if they can just dismiss this guy as a twat, without ever thinking, 'maybe his weird and strange and deeply damaging childhood and family he was born into had something to do with how he turned out.'

Harry will be 40 in 2 weeks time.

At what age do you think people can be asked to accept responsibility for their own behaviour?

Yet Harry was brought up in a uniquely fucked up situation ... and yet he gets a roasting for how he turned out.

You seem angry and to have taken this quite personally and I'm not sure what rape victims have got to do with it, but I'm merely pointing out that this is not true. He wasn't brought up in a uniquely fucked up situation, he has a brother, only two years older, who not only lost his mother as a child, but had the responsibility of being her confidant and emotional support before she died. And also has the responsibility of being monarch one day, aka "trapped" as Harry himself describes it. Of course people process trauma differently but the fucked up situation itself is not unique. I don't think it's "scathing" to point that out.

I don't think children should be born into a public role, no. Its a high pressure life that people should have to choose, not be born into. Charles has also been a notoriously miserable character, miserable and frustrated with the life he was born into. One of the Queen's sisters was an alcoholic who was refused permission to marry the man she loved. Charles and Diana happened as he has to marry a virgin, so ended up with a woman he did not love. Grieving and traumatised children were forced to walk behind their mother's coffin in front of a mass of wailing strangers. What sort of family makes kids do that?

Its cruel to birth generation after generation into that circus.

Also, having a difficult childhood and being a twat are not mutually exclusive.

Meghan was desperate to have a British boyfriend. Her list is long. The places she hung out too. Only the other day I read she was chasing Matt Cardle 😳

One of the Queen's sisters..

Do you know anything about the royal family?

He visited Balmoral annually ( often seen in the area) until he met Meghan . After Archie was born HM invited them there but they said it was too far to travel with a baby . Then hopped on a private jet to stay with Elton John in France or Spain !

@LadyGilley do none of these things happen to ordinary people? It's actually called " life" 🙄