Duke of Sussex : "potentially initiate a partial return to the royal fold"

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Duke of Sussex asks former aides to help plot RETURN from his US exile in first stage of 'rehabilitation' strategy: Prince's friends vow to help smooth path back and dub it 'Operation Bring Harry In From The Cold' | Daily Mail Online

After everything he has said and done........

Remind me - how many of them were there again ? 😂

That's another area in which they have absolutely nothing in common. Harry was brought up in a huge extended family who went away to Balmoral for a month together every year and spent Xmas at Sandringham all together. She spent most of her time with one parent or the other, mostly with her father. She didn't have that sort of upbringing at all, and so probably doesn't see what she's denying her own children, and Harry himself.

One of the Queen's sisters was an alcoholic who was refused permission to marry the man she loved.

"One" of the Queen's sisters? She only had one.

And no, Margaret was not refused permission to marry. She could have married Townsend and retained all her royal privileges other than her place in the LoS, which was increasingly irrelevant in any case given that the Queen already had two healthy children. However, she chose not to.

The Crown is not history.

Camilla and Sophie have put in years of solid work on unglamourous causes and have never whinged or made it all about them.

@Abouttimeforanamechange I agree that this would be the only way for Harry to truly get back in with the RF-work hard and keep quiet-but I think that’s unlikely.

As others have said, that’s part of the issue with H&M, they seem to think that they can be insta-Royalty without putting in the work. She refused to accept advice and gave up on royal life after 19 months; now they’ve been in the US for a few years and haven’t found their niches yet…but it can take years to settle into a new country and most immigrants don’t alienate their family and old friends back home.
Most people don’t instantly settle into a new culture, it takes time to work out where you fit in.

Yip he's got FOMO !

For goodness sake, as I said in my post, there is no AA group for something like he has been through. I've been through unusual trauma. I know how important it is to have support groups of people who have gone through what you have and what its like when those groups don't exist. Harry doesn't have this. I can empathise with that.

Saying ' oh his brother did too' does not stop it from being a unique experience. He's lived a very unusual life. If you don't think being born into a royal family and having you mother killed in a car chase by journalists and still having to court the media for your ' job' that you were born into is not a unique experience, then I really don't know to say to you. Quibbling about him having a brother is just that. Massively misses the point.

Where to start …..
The late Queen had only one sister , Margaret . She
could have married Peter Townsend however she wasn’t prepared to give up her Royal status so decided not to marry him.

Apologies @IcedPurple x post

If I were his family I would not forgive them either. But that's not my point . My point is he is like that because of his traumatic background. Traumatised people are often very difficult people. I had a very short term relationship with someone with C-PTSD due to childhood trauma. He was very difficult because of that. Its not uncommon. I don't want to see that guy again but I don't go around slagging him either because I understand why he is like that.

Saying ' oh his brother did too' does not stop it from being a unique experience.

Hmm, I disagree. Maybe that's quibbling but words do have meanings.

I agree his childhood was very unusual. But the point I was making in my original post was that it's not a convincing excuse for his behaviour when his brother manages to live his life without behaving in that way.

Yes, because saying ' you can marry him if you give up your job and the only life you have known' is not coercive at all. Just like women were allowed to be teachers in the past, but only if they never married. That was fair and not coercive too.

The way you ignored all the other points is noted.

So what you're saying is that having a 'traumatic background' absolves you of responsibility for your own behaviour for the rest of your life? Even when you're 40 and a parent yourself? You get to enjoy victim status indefinitely?

If they had any sense (which they don’t) their option should be to go live a quiet life away from the spotlight and quit trying to be superstars.

I don’t think Meghan can though, it’s been her ambition every day of her adult life to be someday feted and admired. She didn’t read the memo though that you need at the very least charisma if not talent to be admired. Even Wallis was feted for her dinner parties, hosting prowess, style and wit, this one can’t even manage that.

Oh yes!

She wasn’t asked to give up her job. She was asked to give up her place in the line of succession, which, given that the Queen already had heirs, was slipping down anyway. She decided in the end that actually she didn’t want to marry Townsend. Nobody made
her give him up

There's a difference between being difficult and a complete snake in the grass with no empathy at all.

Huh?

As I wrote in my post above, Margaret would have got to keep her titles and her place on the Civil List. The only thing she's have had to give up would have been her place in the LoS, which in practical terms meant very little.

The Queen actually went out of her way to try to accommodate Margaret's wishes, as recently revealed documents have shown. It was Margaret herself who eventually decided against the marriage as she had fallen out of love with Townsend. That may not suit your narrative, but it is the truth.

That the ‘media’ print this shite and that people read it and believe it is what’s caused all the trouble in the first place.

What I am saying is exactly what I am said in the post. I won't go around slagging people acting out trauma, and that's how I see PH's behaviour.. I think threads spewing bile at him are really unpleasant and display a really unpleasant side of human nature. These threads make me think badly about the posters, not about PH.

Anyway, I'm off to make dinner..

But Harry repeatedly 'spewing bile' at his own family is fine?

Bcoz trauma?

Yes, because saying ' you can marry him if you give up your job and the only life you have known' is not coercive at all.

I was wondering where on earth you get this sort of shite from while at the same time not knowing how many siblings the queen had, and then I realised - you've watched The Crown!

Spoiler alert - it wasn't like that. All Margaret had to give up was her place in the line of succession, which was pretty meaningless as the chances of her becoming queen were tiny by then. Here's an explanation of how the tv version is different from real life. Eden and the Queen were actually pretty sympathetic by all accounts.

^The Crown shows Prime Minister Sir Anthony Eden stressing the cabinet's opposition to the marriage and threatening the princess with exile for five years if she goes ahead.
The Queen tells her sister chillingly that if she marries Townsend she will no longer be a member of the family.
But in fact, papers available in the National Archives since 2004 show that the Queen and Eden drew up a plan in 1955 under which Princess Margaret could marry Townsend while keeping her royal title and her civil list allowance of £6,000 a year plus another £9,000 on marriage. She could live in this country and even continue with public duties if the public approved, as was highly likely.^

I think threads spewing bile at him are really unpleasant and display a really unpleasant side of human nature. These threads make me think badly about the posters, not about PH.

Am I one of the posters you think badly about for spewing bile? I am a survivor of childhood trauma though, so presumably I'm ok again now in your eyes? Not my fault?

Yup! The Crown was my first thought too.

Peter Morgan has a lot to answer for.

I guess the story of a beautiful young princess denied permission to marry the love of her life by a cruel outdated institution made for better TV than the fact that Margaret simply grew out of her infatuation. Which is just as well, given that Townsend was a creep who later married a 19 year old.

Yes, it’s widely reported that when he’s 40, he will get around $8.5 million from a trust fund set up by his grandmother, Queen Elizabeth ll.
I can’t remember any details as to what he may have inherited from his mum Princess Diana.

Thanks @Hughs and @IcedPurple for debunking the Margaret myths.