Duke of Sussex : "potentially initiate a partial return to the royal fold"

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Duke of Sussex asks former aides to help plot RETURN from his US exile in first stage of 'rehabilitation' strategy: Prince's friends vow to help smooth path back and dub it 'Operation Bring Harry In From The Cold' | Daily Mail Online

After everything he has said and done........

I should think everyone in the family is terrified of talking to him as no doubt it would all be related back to the wife who would be speed dialling the media. Who would want to risk the possibility of every conversation being in print the next day. I think it's an insoluble problem sadly.

He has said he was trapped and burnt out when a working royal, resented doing tours and hated the courtiers. Hard to see how he can ask for all that back.
I also don't see how he can come back while he and Meghan still nurture the Sussex squad, a toxic and deluded band of trolls.

Frothing . Haven’t seen that word for a while !

He will only be accepted back into the family and by the public if he comes back minus Meghan. Everyone hates her.

Many thanks, Pineapple - yes, that's the interview I was thinking of.

On the topic of why Harry's therapy doesn't seem to have been very effective, here's a link to a video with Dr Raj Persaud, who believes that the professionals he's been consulting are just afraid, or not willing for other reasons, to tell him what he needs to hear - namely that he needs to man up and take some responsibility for his situation..

I think this is a problem for both Harry and Meghan,not only in their personal but in their business lives. Any member of staff who tries to tell them anything they don't want to hear (eg - this is a rubbish idea/project - forget it, or - you need to put in the time on this) just gets the boot and their reputation trashed in revenge.

They only want Yes-people because they are never wrong, mistaken, or ignorant about anything.

Too funny. As if

@LadyGilley
Yet Harry was brought up in a uniquely fucked up situation, suffered the sudden death of his mother in very traumatic circumstances and yet he gets a roasting for how he turned out. He’s a person full of adverse childhood experiences.

I’m not even remotely surprised he turned out like he did.

I think we should end the RF as it not fair to raise children in a dynamic like that.

We should end the RF because of Harry’s childhood? Yet somehow William who was only a couple of years older and suffered the same as Harry, in fact it was arguably worse for William as he had to look after Diana and her emotional turmoil was landed on his shoulders, has managed to have a stable life and marriage with 3 children, so no your last sentence does not stand as William’s life clearly shows, they, the future heirs are not being raised in that “dynamic” at all.

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Frothing . Haven’t seen that word for a while !

Just shows that the oldies aren't always the goodies

Galoop
Does also make you wonder what the pressure of being in the public eye does to a relationship, relationships are hard enough without your every move scrutinised and in H&M case, people almost frothing at the mouth hoping they'll divorce.

Well I'm not 'hoping they'll divorce' because they've got 2 young children!

All I want is for them to clear off, stop publicity-seeking so I don't have to hear about them and to stop pretending to be royal in the US.

I'll tell you what I do wonder about though, and that's how much Harry's and Meghan's doings over the last 5 years have hurt, damaged and possibly contributed to the health problems of senior RF members. They've been appallingly cruel and spiteful while claiming to 'turn up and do good' everywhere - they must think we're all as stupid as they are. And please don't suggest that they don't want to be in the public eye!

He will only be accepted back into the family and by the public if he comes back minus Meghan. Everyone hates her.

I don't hate her. I think she has behaved badly, I think her talents and abilities come nowhere near to matching her aspirations and she does not listen to advice, and I don't think she has heen good for Harry (who has equally behaved badly and failed to listen to advice). I don't want to see her (or him) in a public role in the UK again. But none of that adds up to 'hating' her.

Thanks for that. You would hope he could find a therapist unafraid of royalty in the US, but I assume he uses Better Up or whatever it's called, of which he is CHIMPO and is not a healthy place by all accounts.

It's very telling that their last hire, Josh? Kettler, got out of there before the Colombia trip. He must have seen that it was in no way going to pass the smell test in the same way they were able to sell the Nigeria trip as Meghan finding her roots.

As a pp said, a ranch or an estate to manage might suit him, but he'd have to be willing to get stuck in and learn the job.

I thought over the years that is what he would do, he seemed to be going in that direction and he could have made it very successful - possibly sustainable farming (building on his father's blueprint), freedom, an outdoor lifestyle that he would have thrived on, something that was his 'own'. I wonder of that is how he saw his future with Chelsey Davy. I don't think the life he has in California is how he saw his future and nor do I think he enjoys it.

Is this a roundabout way of introducing the divorce?

Private? Harry couldn't recognise private if it rose up and bit him. Even if he did, his wife wouldn't.

He's like that ex narc partner who comes back when he is bored or drunk or needing some entertainment.

‘It's been said that Charles's views are those of the last person he spoke to, and his approach to "spiritual advice" can be dubious (Laurens van der Post? Peter Ball’

You forgot Jimmy Saville, whom Charles wanted Diana to meet for marriage guidance counselling. Yes, really.

I agree that his current lifestyle doesn't suit him, but I'm not sure he's ever shown any interest in the outdoors either. Like his mother, he seems to be more of a city person. When has he ever chosen to spend extended time in the countryside?

I actually remember that only too well, Allthegoodnamesarechosen, but if we were going to list all of Charles's dubious choices we'd be here all day

I keep forgetting that the paperback Spare is due out this autumn though, but maybe that's why the Mail produced this now, as a lead in to their next silly article insisting the family's furious and have distanced Harry even further

And while none of us can know what William really thinks, I'll add that as the direct heir he'll probably have more say about this than he'd have done before, which might easily influence the outcome of this mess

I would not rely on an account in the Daily Mail, even though they have history of liking people who dress up in Nazi uniforms.

As long as Harry is with her, he's not in control, she's pulling his strings

Only if he allows her to, @cheezncrackers
I'm honestly uncomfortable with women being blamed for everything, and even allowing for Harry's obvious limitations he's presumably still capable of saying no

I'm aware some maintain she'd leave him if he did that, but a relationship in which someone will bail out if they don't get their own way at all times doesn't seem to me to be worth having anyway

I agree that his current lifestyle doesn't suit him, but I'm not sure he's ever shown any interest in the outdoors either. Like his mother, he seems to be more of a city person. When has he ever chosen to spend extended time in the countryside?

I read somewhere he adored Balmoral and the freedom and outdoor lifestyle he had there, he also seemed to be very taken with Africa and the vast, open plain kind of ideal.

I could be wrong but he seemed to me to favour that outdoors, physical kind of life. He doesn't seem to have either countryside life or city life where he is.

A friend works for a charity in Sentebale spends weeks out there every year taking out school equipment and educating children. Harry was there quietly in person and in spirit at other times. The children adored him.

It's all gone horribly wrong somewhere

Said this on another thread but this is darling boy attempting to secure his position while the going's still good. Kites on a return of some sort have been flown for a while and I don't think he's ever given up on the original half in half-out demand.

A few things have made a deal more urgent. Pa's illness and the unknowns when Willy gets the reins along with an eye wateringly expensive lifestyle on now finite resources chiefly.

Arch-grifter Harold's getting his ducks in a row 🤓

I agree it’s not on to blame women all the time, Puzzled, but I think maybe in this case it’s best to look at them as just two personalities. Harry was obviously desperate to have his own family and when Meghan came along, he was clearly prepared to bend over backwards to appease and accommodate her (what Meghan wants. Meghan gets and so on) and he is so terrified of losing her that when she says jump, he says how high. As you say, it doesn’t seem like a worthwhile relation in many ways, but Harry seems to be clinging in on to it for all he’s worth 🤷‍♀️

I thought he hardly ever went to Balmoral? He certainly hasn't been there since he married Meghan. He's also only spent brief periods in Africa.

I really don't think he's into country life, but I agree that he would be best suited to something 'hands on' and practical. He's never going to be a producer or content creator for NF. His attempts at faux royalling are an embarrassment. Something more 'down to earth' would suit him best, but I don't see it happening now.