Duke of Sussex : "potentially initiate a partial return to the royal fold"

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Duke of Sussex asks former aides to help plot RETURN from his US exile in first stage of 'rehabilitation' strategy: Prince's friends vow to help smooth path back and dub it 'Operation Bring Harry In From The Cold' | Daily Mail Online

After everything he has said and done........

I think that is likely a very popular opinion.

I hope William will be strong and never cave in to Harry.

I saw an interview (sorry - I don't know who the interviewer was - a sliver-haired but youngish man with black glasses?) where Harry was actually asked some tough questions. The interviewer read out the bit from Spare where Harry says William is always angry, is losing his hair and his resemblance to their mother plus other very personal and nasty things, and then Harry says 'There was never any intention to hurt anyone in all of that.'

He's utterly, cluelessly stupid. He's gone and hitched himself to a narcissistic nightmare of a woman and pretty much burned all his bridges. I'm sure he'll be allowed a wee cottage somewhere in the UK, but I hope he'll never be allowed back as an official royal again. I'd far rather he stayed in the US and didn't bother any of us over here!

I think they just won't/can't trust him while he's with her too. He was unhappy before she came along, but she has stoked his feelings of resentment, given him a way to express them, and she's clearly very comfortable with alienating whoever she feels she needs to in order to get ahead and get the life that she wants. She's cut out old friends, her siblings and even her own father, so ditching the in-laws was a piece of a cake.

As long as Harry is with her, he's not in control, she's pulling his strings. Before she came along, a few good friends and wise courtiers were able to keep Harry and all his nonsense reasonably contained, but he's been a total loose cannon since Meghan got control of him.

They would both have to work VERY hard to win back their family's trust and I don't think they have the strength of character to do that.

Even then, some of the wider family would just shun them both. They'll always be outsiders now.

What happens with big royal birthdays, I imagine it’s a big party in one of the palaces is it? I wonder if he’s realised he won’t be getting one of those but something with Meghans mates instead. It’s quite the come down.

Yes indeed.

I'm sure the frequent mentions of his mother are less because of his trauma but rather because his wife knows exactly the buttons to press and has done since they met.

If he comes back as a working royal in any shape or form, I will become a rabid anti monarchist and look for ways to campaign for the end of it all. It will be utterly disgusting if they cave in to him.

From memory, Princess Ann always had the choice for her children to have titles. Certainly, that was always the way it was presented by the press at that time, and was portrayed as a step away from the norm.
Ann was generally quite maligned in the media when she was younger, and there was always an undertone of her being 'difficult'.I think all what she was probably doing, was being protective of her privacy. By her children not having titles, she ensured better privacy for them too.

They are a long way from willing to do that.

rereleasing spare in paper back - it’s all about the money.

lying his father didn’t see him as he was too busy, when his father not only was willing to see him but offered him accommodation at one of the palaces.

doing pseudo royal trips to corrupt countries

still trying to do half in half out and trying to get his mates to help. Likely wanted it leaked to put the palace in an awkward position .

still not brought his kids to see his father.

relaunched his pseudo royal Sussex website.

all recent stuff. He’s not willing to work very hard , she’s not willing to work very hard, they just want the kudos of being royal and they are so excluded now and no one interested they need to try to get back in to feather their nest/

Why should they forgive him? Harry didn't just have a temper tantrum and say things he didn't mean, he went on tv , he wrote a books, he used photographers and journalists time and time again to lie about them over many years.

The interviewer was Anderson Cooper (who has his own rather fucked up family history and loose ties to the British aristocracy - he'd be the Vanderbilt heir, had his mother, jeans and perfume entrepreneur Gloria, not decided (very wisely) to leave her money to charity and let her son make his own fortune (which he has, he's probably CNN's highest paid anchor, which is why this extremely poor interview was so disappointing, as he's a decent journalist).

Here's the clip from CNN's 60 Minutes, with Harry smirking like the utter wanker he is. He thinks saying he loves his family excuses anything else he says.

edited as missed out a thought.

I can't see it happening at all let alone in the form that Harry wants and thinks it should, Harry won't admit his fault nor apologise.

I can see something personal happening between Charles and Harry. Charles is his father, he is not getting any younger and he has been diagnosed with cancer so his mortality and the time he has left on this earth will be at the forefront of his mind and I doubt he wants to shuffle of his mortal coil without some kind of easing of the relationship between himself and Harry. That is as far as it will go I think, there will be no welcoming him back into the fold from everyone else, too much damage has been done.

The rest should be told from young that they will not be expected to work for the RF.

Peter, Zara, Beatrice and Eugenie already don't work for the RF; they turn up occasionally for special events, but they are not counted as working royals. Louise and James are still in full time education.

I think Harry's problems are

1. Too much time on his hands and
2. Lack of intellectual resources.

His life before was always structured - school, army, working royal - always planned (largely by other people), always knowing what he would be doing next week, next month or next year.

Now he doesn't have that, he has nothing to take its place. Charles, aside from his working life, has his interest in books, music, art, gardens, nature to fill his time and occupy his mind. Philip had a wide range of interests and no trouble filling his time in retirement.

Harry has none of that. I think he really does need what might be called a 'proper job' - something to give him routine, get him out of the house and give him something to think about other than his own grievances. As a pp said, a ranch or an estate to manage might suit him, but he'd have to be willing to get stuck in and learn the job.

If Harry truly wants peace with his father before Charles passes away (let's hope not anytime soon), then he will do this without strings, monetary gain, demands to be let back in to do royal duties or holding his children to ransom. Just the opening of cordial relations and the acceptance of limited trust from everyone else he has hurt. I don't think Harry knows how to have a relationship that isn't transactional, though.

I might have felt more sorry for him if he didn’t have that smug smirk on his face every time he stabs one of his family in the back.

There's nothing stopping them coming to live in the UK, he won't be homeless and is rich enough to support his family, there's no reason for him to undertake royal duties, there are enough family members already, they decided to leave the UK, they weren't banished. It was inevitable he'd feel home sick and miss his family and his children would have more friends and extended family. As long as I don't have to support him or Megan financially I don't care where they live,

Harry and his wife are unlikely to be fully trusted by the RF again after they sold stories to raise revenue.

I agree @Abouttimeforanamechange. A fairly dim-witted man with limited inner resources and no intellectual curiosity, who was raised with a staff organising his life and keeping him busy, is now at a loose end.

Even his book was ghost written.
I heard a read excerpt of it where he described a lumpy mattress and much darned counterpane at Balmoral, and thought he wrote well- {only from that short piece} but turns out much like ''A Cat called Bob'' and James Bowen, it is all ghostwritten.

James Bowen lost all his millions and is homeless again- at least Harry is wealthy via inheritances so at least doesn't have that worry about how to support himself and his kids.

Do you mean his 40th? It’ll probably be just the wife and the mil. What a celebration! If he’s unlucky Ellen might pop round.

And the devil makes work for idle hands. As has been witnessed these last four years.

I agree with that. Harry has no inner resources. He needs a structure in his life, someone telling him what to do and all the nitty gritty and big decisions of life taken care of him, to the extent that he never had any idea they existed. He's on his own now, in a foreign country, with a wife who I honestly do not believe is primarily concerned with his best interests. His new 'friends' are mostly interested in what he can do for them, and increasingly, that's not going to be very much. But this is the life he has made for himself.

As his 40th is 2 weeks away, I think even he must be aware that there are going to be a good number of "Prince Harry at 40" articles coming out and given the (self inflicted) utter shit show of the last few years they are not going to be joyous, celebratory retrospectives.

Can't say with any certainty of course but it wouldn't surprise me if he was taking stock, for whatever reason. What that might lead to is very uncertain, because I'm not sure he has it in him to even attempt to put right the damage he has caused his family. The accounts of him and William blanking each other at Lord Fellowes funeral seem to be unanimous and if accurate, are indicative of how very bad things are with William, at least.

Maybe he wants them to move here so that he can split with Meghan and apply for custody of kids in a U.K. court. Very telling that he’s never brought either of them abroad without Meghan

*I think Harry's problems are

1. Too much time on his hands and
2. Lack of intellectual resources.*

I would add a point 3. Lacks emotional intelligence. He has absolutely none.