Duke of Sussex : "potentially initiate a partial return to the royal fold"

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Duke of Sussex asks former aides to help plot RETURN from his US exile in first stage of 'rehabilitation' strategy: Prince's friends vow to help smooth path back and dub it 'Operation Bring Harry In From The Cold' | Daily Mail Online

After everything he has said and done........

How does that change the fact that the Mail notoriously supported Nazism?

That's all very interesting but wasn't the question being answered. Or in fact related to the history of the Daily Mail in anyway whatsoever.

So well done for effort but next time read the exam question 😂

Why does he imagine the Firm wants his help? And what help could he give? They wrote him out of the picture years ago. Yes, he could take on a few appointments to ease the strain for the others, but there are plenty of other members of the family who can do that without the downside that they are in reality simply looking for material for volume 2 of their fictional memoirs.

If he is in fact seeking to take advantage of the King's and Princess of Wales' cancer to pretend to be helping out, that is just despicable.

I’m also astounded that Harry or his supporters think that at any time it is remotely feasible Charles will ask for his help and for him to come back and do royal duties, or that William will apologise to get him to come back.

it is entirely deluded. If it came from him then it’s concerning as he is deeply removed from reality. If it came from his supporters, they need to do better as it is reflecting badly on Harry. If you put something out there so utterly deluded , then it makes the subject look like he’s something signifanclh mentally wrong with him. If they can’t do better they should remain silent. If Harry is putting this out there, then he needs to seek advice and then take it. Doubling down on it was far from smart.

However, look how you got over it

That was nearly 100 years ago !
Things change …

What on earth has William got to apologise for? Having an extra sausage?! Writing a book trashing his family? Go on Netflix? Oprah Winfrey? The only one who should apologise is Harry.

I know it was a meander and not an 'answer to the question' but I found the stuff about the 1930s and the support for Hitler interesting. I hadn't realised how much there was, from different directions.
(I did know that a relation of mine referred to Stalin as 'Uncle Joe', so it was nice to read it expressed like that by someone else. I think he was being very cynical when he said it. He lived through all the headlines of the 20s to the 60s and commented with scepticism. Yes, I know this would be best in 'history' so it stops here.)

I was musing about that myself ( being retired and no Granny duty today I have time to muse).
Presumably he needs to apologise for being born first , looking more like Diana and giving well meaning brotherly advice ?

The Guardian was founded by transatlantic slave-owners, supported the quashing of Indian resistance under British colonialism on the basis of the superiority of their imperial masters, supported the Confederates against Lincoln in the American War of Independence, and gave not one jot of thought to the Palestinians when they supported the Balfour Agreement. Oh, and they thought the NHS would result in too much riff riff surviving. I really don't see the point in dredging through the pasts of any institution to condemn them for attitudes that at the time were mainstream/not controversial/abhorrent by today's standards of morality but not by the standards of the time. If you want to go down that route, no American should ever vote Democrat.

To build on previous posts, the problem for Harry and Meghan is that when they got engaged and married, huge cheering crowds turned out to see them. They were there because of fondness for Harry, curiosity about Meghan and an interest in seeing someone different joining the family. H and M mistook this goodwill as a personal tribute to their own unique amazingness. They thought for the rest of their lives adoring crowds would hang on their every utterance, no matter how banal. But there was never any content, nothing interesting or sustainable. The late Queen was no great intellectual nor did she seek to be seen as one. She was able to deliver constancy and predictability. Which made people feel safer in a hard world.

Harry's 'sources' ie Harry talking to The Mail is so laughable. The RF are ignoring whatever guff they come out with 'Harry is available to help out the RF'....silence... 'Harry has lots of new projects and new friends so nerrr'

Yes @StartupRepair . There is always a general sense of pleasure with a Royal baby or marriage. People did have a soft spot for Harry and after seeing William happy in his marriage hoped for a similar happiness for Harry. I'm not saying your average person was obsessed with the RF just a feeling of goodwill as you would with anyone. Sadly it has all gone tits up. The country doesn't need Harry to do anything here.

I enjoyed @lemonpepperlady's historical context post.

Regarding the Mail's headline today, I couldn't help sniggering at the thought that 'sources' are confirming Harry has lots of nice new friends. When you have to say it...

They must hire really inexperienced staff (possibly below market salaries in return for the 'cachet' of working for them) their PR is a disaster, their business endeavours another disaster, their media productions just top it off. This level of incompetence is beyond normal.

They must be of the 'just do it now, this minute' type of boss who expect a 6 month project to be completed in 3 weeks, the poor miserable employees shrug their shoulders do their bidding, even though they know it will all fall back on them, as they furiously try to find the time to update their CV within the confines of an ironclad NDA.

Surely for pushing H into the dog bowl??!!

Not sure why Harry helping "The Firm" if necessary would be dependent on W apologising or KC asking?

Shouldn't he just offer with no conditions?

This has to be one of the best examples ever of grey rocking!

Well I guess William can apologise for that when Harry apologises to the school matron, to the woman he lost his virginity to, to Catherine, to Camilla, to his father, to the UK, to the polo ponies, to the African Parks victims, to the little girl with HIV he abandoned, etc etc

Ahh @BunnyLake but that was Harry telling ‘his truth’ and that’s the only thing that counts!

indeed best grey rocking example @thecrossIambearing

ClockwiseHoneysuckle · Today 08:35

And many people on the left (writers, journalists, politicians, newspapers) thought Stalin was a good guy despite being told about the brutally-enforced collectivisation and deliberate starvation of millions of people in Ukraine in the 30s. If we take numbers alone as a criterion, Stalin killed more people in his own territories than Hitler ever did.

It's pathetic to moan because someone or some institution took a particular stance long ago - it's like saying you don't want to read an author's work because they don't conform to 21st century attitudes.