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BigWillyLittleTodger · 02/09/2024 21:39

Havinganamechange · 02/09/2024 21:25

@BigWillyLittleTodger no I didn’t, I responded to someone. My original comment was not ranting, it was giving a view. If you don’t like my view, move on by.

There is never one side to a story is there, personally I like them both and I’m sick of the press propaganda and everyone who believes it.

This was your first comment, not responding to any poster in particular, and yes I would describe that as ranting, granted your next few posts upped the ante on the rantometer, and how about you take your own advice, if you don’t like what is discussed on the Royal Family board, i.e the Royal Family then move on by.

MummyJ12 · 02/09/2024 21:45

Pineapplesandthegovernmentandpunkrock · 02/09/2024 20:50

I thought he told the court in his ongoing phone hacking case that he destroyed all the remaining notes and communications about Spare, thus could not produce them for disclosure on the issue of the limitation period in his phone hacking claim. The pages he claimed he had enough of for another book were pages the lawyers had told him to take out of the original manuscript, not freshly written material - so if he's telling the truth, they are destroyed, and there is nothing for a second book (unless he starts from scratch).

Exactly this. So he would be committing perjury if he were to add further to Spare. He’s not added information because of this, it isn’t because he wants reconciliation or to prevent further pain or embarrassment to his family. Harry doesn’t do anything out of the goodness of his heart, he hasn’t got an altruistic bone in his body.

changeme4this · 02/09/2024 21:48

So this is my take on it…

I have no doubt Harry misses his family unit because that’s how Mum brought him up, to remain close to his Brother and Father, and extended family. However his head was turned and he saw another way of life, he has a short fuse, so did a number of foot in mouth things he should have thought twice about.

he and his ‘aids’ need to stop feeding the press and go about reconnecting without it being reported on a near daily basis. A complete media blackout.

he and his wife need to work out how this involves connecting his children to his family. It won’t take long and they will be of age not to be interested, plus if Mum is drip feeding concerns over security and “look what happened to granny” scenarios, the kids will not want to go. They will be fearful.

in turn H & M between themselves, need to work out where M stands in all of this. I have a family member in similar family circumstances relationship wise, and she has told him he can go and see his family, but their children will not be going and neither will she. Most of my family think the spouse is odd anyhow, but would remain polite. I suspect this is no different to the H & M situation. Either way, it puts Harry in a difficult position because if he leaves M, she has the kids already in America and they won’t be forced to return to the UK. So Harry will be torn either way unless he can get his birth family to them. But that will hardly pass by the media’s attention.

in a nutshell Harry should embrace radio silence. He can’t return to what was, but can try and forge a new future. His biggest hurdle is his advisors and his Wife’s career requirements ? of being visable, viable and popular.

Grammarnut · 02/09/2024 21:52

Whether he wants to rejoin the Firm or not I doubt the British people are interested in having him back.

Tigger1895 · 02/09/2024 21:52

I seriously give up. Why do people believe everything they read in that rag? Do you honestly think they could possibly know this, when they didn’t even know he would attend the memorial service for his aunts husband? Oh, BTW, he said he had no intention of coming back in his interview with Anderson Cooper.

MummyJ12 · 02/09/2024 21:53

Havinganamechange · 02/09/2024 20:22

@Getonwitit the difficulty I have is that there are always three sides, their side, the other side and the actual facts of the situation. The press have spent so much time enthusiastically trashing them and portraying the monarchy’s version as facts, who knows what’s true anymore. I’m just sick of it all and there are surely more important things to focus on like improving our education system, funding our NHS, looking after our SEN children etc to go on about them.

The problem here is that Meghan and Harry know full well that the royal family have no right to reply to whatever they say or put out. So no. We are not hearing all sides of the story. It’s H&M who are paying top dollar for WME to plant stories and have favourable press. It’s H&M giving the interviews. Not the royal family. It’s naive to suggest otherwise. I’m sick of people having an opinion on the royal family apparently “briefing the press” and banging on about it as though it’s fact. It really isn’t fact, there’s not a shred of evidence for it.

MummyJ12 · 02/09/2024 21:54

Tigger1895 · 02/09/2024 21:52

I seriously give up. Why do people believe everything they read in that rag? Do you honestly think they could possibly know this, when they didn’t even know he would attend the memorial service for his aunts husband? Oh, BTW, he said he had no intention of coming back in his interview with Anderson Cooper.

He doesn’t want to come back. It’s all just to keep him in the papers.

Edited to say: He absolutely misses his popularity though.

Havinganamechange · 02/09/2024 21:59

BigWillyLittleTodger · 02/09/2024 21:39

There is never one side to a story is there, personally I like them both and I’m sick of the press propaganda and everyone who believes it.

This was your first comment, not responding to any poster in particular, and yes I would describe that as ranting, granted your next few posts upped the ante on the rantometer, and how about you take your own advice, if you don’t like what is discussed on the Royal Family board, i.e the Royal Family then move on by.

@BigWillyLittleTodger 🥱🥱🥱

Havinganamechange · 02/09/2024 22:03

MummyJ12 · 02/09/2024 21:53

The problem here is that Meghan and Harry know full well that the royal family have no right to reply to whatever they say or put out. So no. We are not hearing all sides of the story. It’s H&M who are paying top dollar for WME to plant stories and have favourable press. It’s H&M giving the interviews. Not the royal family. It’s naive to suggest otherwise. I’m sick of people having an opinion on the royal family apparently “briefing the press” and banging on about it as though it’s fact. It really isn’t fact, there’s not a shred of evidence for it.

@MummyJ12 I think it’s hard to know what’s true anymore, I feel like I don’t believe anything I’m reading any more it’s so convoluted. Are we sure that the RF aren’t briefing the press or haven’t done so in the past? Wasn’t there a documentary suggesting some press were influenced by the fact they would be excluded if they didn’t print favorable articles about the establishment?

Tigger1895 · 02/09/2024 22:03

MummyJ12 · 02/09/2024 21:54

He doesn’t want to come back. It’s all just to keep him in the papers.

Edited to say: He absolutely misses his popularity though.

Edited

I guess his popularity may have declined somewhat in the UK due to the constant hatred being published in that rag and the freedom to spew crap in its comments. The media seems to have found a new love for certain royals as they now have a punchbag

Mylovelygreendress · 02/09/2024 22:09

Tigger1895 · 02/09/2024 22:03

I guess his popularity may have declined somewhat in the UK due to the constant hatred being published in that rag and the freedom to spew crap in its comments. The media seems to have found a new love for certain royals as they now have a punchbag

Hatred. Punchbag .
I have noted the old words and expressions returning !
Yesterday we had frothing .
Harry’s popularity has declined because of the nasty lies that have come out of his own mouth.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 02/09/2024 22:16

Portakalkedi · 02/09/2024 19:52

I don't think she will be wanting a separation at least until AFTER he comes into the millions left for him by his grandmother when he turns 40 (at least that's what I read the other day).

Though not a lawyer, I'm pretty sure that in California 10 years of marriage is the point after which a spouse can get time-unlimited alimony, whereas below that timescale it's usually restricted

Just saying ...

Imanontoday · 02/09/2024 22:20

Tigger1895 · 02/09/2024 22:03

I guess his popularity may have declined somewhat in the UK due to the constant hatred being published in that rag and the freedom to spew crap in its comments. The media seems to have found a new love for certain royals as they now have a punchbag

I honestly think Harry’s popularity has declined very far, he went from one of the most popular royals to one of the least popular. And it was due to his behaviour. Generally as a global society we do not like those who sell tawdry tales on people for money. Never mind their own family. I’m surprised you’re not aware. Most folks are,

IcedPurple · 02/09/2024 22:24

Mylovelygreendress · 02/09/2024 22:09

Hatred. Punchbag .
I have noted the old words and expressions returning !
Yesterday we had frothing .
Harry’s popularity has declined because of the nasty lies that have come out of his own mouth.

Don't forget 'spewing'. Though I've not quite worked out how one 'spews'. Does one do so while simultaneously 'frothing'?

Has anyone mentioned the 'BM' yet?

Apparently all media outlets in Britain work in concert. And their chief concern o every one of them is the antics of the 5th in line.

AutumnCrow · 02/09/2024 22:31

shufflestep · 02/09/2024 20:27

I have wondered how much this article edition.cnn.com/2013/07/03/health/royal-baby-appearance/index.html and ones like it may have been the foundation for the racism story. Fitting in with what Harry said, Kate could have brought it up with him pointing out that if that was what she and William got, Harry and Meghan might need to be prepared for worse?

Not racist, but trying to prepare him. Then he reported back to Meghan without this sort of article as context, and she reacts to what she has understood, but without the background to the comments.

WTAF is that article!! Thank you for finding this gem.

"Catherine’s commoner genes might lead to a somewhat darker-skinned baby, Saggar said." This is CNN's Senior Medical Correspondent paraphrasing Dr. Anand Saggar, a consultant in the South West Thames Regional Genetics Department at St. George’s Hospital Medical School in London in July 2013.

I can quite believe @shufflestep that someone might have pointed out articles such as this from the US to Harry. After all, his ginger genetics are even discussed in it, along with the 'commoner genes' of women - specifically Catherine - marrying in.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 02/09/2024 22:35

IcedPurple · 02/09/2024 22:24

Don't forget 'spewing'. Though I've not quite worked out how one 'spews'. Does one do so while simultaneously 'frothing'?

Has anyone mentioned the 'BM' yet?

Apparently all media outlets in Britain work in concert. And their chief concern o every one of them is the antics of the 5th in line.

Edited

Can you spew whilst frothing, tugging your forelock and simultaneously bowing and scraping?

BruFord · 02/09/2024 22:39

Puzzledandpissedoff · 02/09/2024 22:16

Though not a lawyer, I'm pretty sure that in California 10 years of marriage is the point after which a spouse can get time-unlimited alimony, whereas below that timescale it's usually restricted

Just saying ...

@Puzzledandpissedoff In their current situation though, that might be an incentive to stick it out, as their lifestyle is so expensive! The millions would soon disappear if they maintained two households.

upinaballoon · 02/09/2024 22:48

BigWillyLittleTodger · 02/09/2024 22:35

Can you spew whilst frothing, tugging your forelock and simultaneously bowing and scraping?

Only if you fawn as well.

lizzyBennet08 · 02/09/2024 22:53

Harrys popularity has declined because most people can relate to what he did. Those of us with siblings can only imagine the betrayal if one of them wrote a book about every childhood tiff. Slated our character and implied that our marriage was a sham before finishing off with a racist tag to someone who was nothing but nice to him all along. For what?revenge, money ? For most normal people that level of venom towards your own family is shocking: hence the decline in his popularity.

Scenicgirl · 02/09/2024 23:01

OrSoItSeemsThatWay · 02/09/2024 15:15

Exactly. I said this rumour wasn't convincing. If you look it up, there are plenty of articles about it but they all tend to use an interesting word 'reportedly'. The Palace of course has never confirmed anything specific. It seems to have been acknowledged that the QM set up a trust fund for her great grandchildren, but the bit about Harry getting the lion's share and why is pure speculation.

I'd heard it was to help address the balance between Prince William and Prince Harry, PW being the one set to inherit the Duchy estate plus the larger share of everything else that goes with being the King one day, but who knows?
One thing for certain, PH is plotting something in suddenly wanting to return to the family.

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BigWillyLittleTodger · 02/09/2024 23:17

Scenicgirl · 02/09/2024 23:01

I'd heard it was to help address the balance between Prince William and Prince Harry, PW being the one set to inherit the Duchy estate plus the larger share of everything else that goes with being the King one day, but who knows?
One thing for certain, PH is plotting something in suddenly wanting to return to the family.

Didn’t the Queen have to pay off the Queen Mother’s debts when she died? Yet somehow she has left millions to Harry?

OrSoItSeemsThatWay · 02/09/2024 23:18

Scenicgirl · 02/09/2024 23:01

I'd heard it was to help address the balance between Prince William and Prince Harry, PW being the one set to inherit the Duchy estate plus the larger share of everything else that goes with being the King one day, but who knows?
One thing for certain, PH is plotting something in suddenly wanting to return to the family.

Weird that the Queen Mum, who herself had two children, one of whom became the monarch while the other remained the 'spare', accepted that, but in the case of two of her many great grandchildren in a parallel situation, felt something had to be done to redress the balance. And all this at the point when Harry was expected to remain a working royal with all the advantages and Palace living that brings. Really odd that she'd have felt so strongly about making it up to him and him only.

Baital · 02/09/2024 23:23

BigWillyLittleTodger · 02/09/2024 23:17

Didn’t the Queen have to pay off the Queen Mother’s debts when she died? Yet somehow she has left millions to Harry?

From what I read she set up trust funds for her great grand children when she was well off. Then ran out of money and ran up debts that QE2 paid off.

I assume once you have given away the money (directly or into a trust) you don't get it back if you later get into debt.

Runnerinthenight · 02/09/2024 23:30

Yousay55 · 31/08/2024 23:43

I think he is very vulnerable and deeply hurt. I don’t think he should have said those things about his family, but hopefully his family will forgive him. There are always two sides to every story.

Why on earth should they? He went wayyyy too far!

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