Duke of Sussex : "potentially initiate a partial return to the royal fold"

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Duke of Sussex asks former aides to help plot RETURN from his US exile in first stage of 'rehabilitation' strategy: Prince's friends vow to help smooth path back and dub it 'Operation Bring Harry In From The Cold' | Daily Mail Online

After everything he has said and done........

@LadyGilley

One of the Queen's sisters was an alcoholic who was refused permission to marry the man she loved.

Royal history is not your strong point is it? FYI HMQ only had one sister, she was Princess Margaret. PM was free to marry Peter Townsend however she would have to relinquish her royal status which she was not willing to do, she didn’t want to be plain old Mrs Townsend, the not being allowed to “marry the man she loved” is an urban myth.

Have just been reading that the Spencers are trying to get W and H to reconcile . I think there may be some truth in that .

I'm pretty annoyed at @LadyGilley 's assertions that Harry should be indulged because of his childhood trauma (that incidently nobody has ever denied on these threads). Unfortunately, sometimes the traumatised turn into the abusers, and that is what Harry has done via Spare, Oprah and his many interviews. He's abused his family through half baked gossip, nasty insinuations and outright lies. This is not a "feud" as the papers are fond of describing the situation. There are no 2 sides warring here. Just one side spewing abuse, and the other side staying silent and dignified in the face of the onslaught, refusing to accelerate the matter, refusing to retaliate, refusing to cave to their abuser's demands. Asking the victims of his abuse to just accept him back with zero contrition on his part is absolutely unforgivable. AN Wilson and whoever else has been suggesting this should ask themselves whether they would ask the same of any other victim of abuse.

@Abouttimeforanamechange
Grieving and traumatised children were forced to walk behind their mother's coffin in front of a mass of wailing strangers. What sort of family makes kids do that?

You mean what sort of Prime Minister. It was reportedly Tony Blair's idea.

What the family wanted to do was keep the boys in the privacy of Balmoral for as long as possible. It was that 'mass of wailing strangers' that demanded they all come back to London.

This is what I thought as well, that it was Tony Blair’s proposal and Prince Philip said if the wanted to walk behind the coffin he would walk with them which I thought was really touching as it was something he did as a child as well when he lost his family so he wanted to be there for William and Harry. The way @LadyGilley paints the RF as unfeeling monsters is like previous posters have said is right out of the Crown’s playbook.

The advantage William has in all of this of course is a supportive wife & ILs.

Even if there is a reconciliation of sorts things will surely never go back to how they (seemingly) were.

W, K & H being comfortable & easy with each other & K being the sister that H never had.

It's all very sad.

I really disagree with this, not just the with the Spencers but anyone who tries to force a reconciliation when the injured party William does not want to, we don’t force married people to stay together and reconcile when their relationship has fallen apart, and I don’t believe just because you are related you have to reconcile with someone who has caused you and your family severe distress on the worldwide stage. If William had written a post on Mumsnet no one would be saying you must reconcile with your brother they would advise doing exactly what William has done, go no contact to protect yourself and your family.

I agree with you.

Also, I don't believe the Spencers are particularly close to William and Harry, and even if they were, I don't see them getting involved. It's really not their place.

You said it better than me, it makes we quite angry that people are trying to force a reconciliation with a toxic member of the family and then make out William to be the person in the wrong when he refuses, it disgusts me frankly.

Harry promised Meghan that this huge extended family of his who spent a month at Balmoral in summer and Sandringham at Christmas, would be the family Meghan never had. He said this in the engagement interview. Wonder why that didn't happen.

I personally find the bandying about of rape victims to obsolve Harry of his behaviour , extremely offensive and disrespectful, think before you post these comments.
On a forum of mainly women the percentage of us who have been sexually assaulted is extremely high and should never be used in an argument to prove your point.

Yes and seeing as Charles Spencer appears to be estranged from his own daughters I doubt he is the one trying to force a reconciliation between W&H.

I wonder how things would be if Harry was a Mary. I doubt a younger sister would have caused such havoc. She would have probably looked lots like Diana and been adored by the public but other than that things might be a lot easier for all involved.

And even more unforgivable, he has been an absolute arse to the Princess of Wales who has nothing to do with Harry's past. Harry was happy with Meghan acting like a mean girl.

Totally agree. If William doesn't trust him and is angry, he has ample reason to feel like that. There seems to be a lot of talk currently about "forgiveness" but what about repentance? At least an acknowledgment that you have publically wounded your family.

I feel like others that there is a bit of desperation about all this from the Montecito camp, who (just possibly) are starting to realise that the good ol' racist cold cruel (add and delete at will) RF were actually their best chance of relevance.

Well one of Charles's alleged crimes against Diana and Harry is that he was disappointed that Harry was not a girl. Which, if true, is very bad. However, I wonder if Charles was mindful of both the support and love he received from his sister and his uneasy relationship with his younger brother, and this was his reason for wishing for a daughter.

I don't think it's 'very bad' to have a preference for one gender, especially when you already have a child of the other gender. What counts is that you love the child all the same, and never let them know that they were the 'wrong' gender. Charles appears to have loved both his sons. It was Diana who spread the story of him supposedly being disappointed that Harry was a boy, which really wasn't a very nice thing for her to do to her child, but served her purpose in getting one over on Charles.

If it’s true , I also disagree. They are 2 middle aged men and should be left to sort out ( or not) their own issues .

Didn’t Trevor say the same thing ? Both TM and Doria were there and apparently it caused raised eyebrows.

Charles would have liked a daughter pretty sure had the marriage lasted he would be they type to want "just one more" to try and "get a girl" gender disappointment is a real thing we see it on here all the time just because they are royal doesn't make them immune to it

How do you know what he wanted? Did he confide in you?

@IcedPurple it's not the gender preference per se, it's the expression of disappointment, if it happened as Diana described, that would have been bad, since she'd just given birth and it's just not something he should have said out loud. But I take your point, Diana is arguably worse for publicising the fact for the history books and for her son to read and dwell on. Peas in a pod, those two.

William had a considerably more traumatic background, and indeed sheltered Harry from much of their mother's behaviour. He's going through yet more trauma currently, given his wife's and father's respective cancers. I don't imagine he's a saint, but he's managed to go into adulthood without producing all those interviews about how awful everyone else is, or a factually dodgy book about how badly treated he was, and without doing his best to monetise his deceased mother.

William has also managed not to cosy up with Netflix, who dramatised their mother's mental health difficulties and death for entertainment and profit, and CBS, who published photos of the car Diana was in, after it had crashed. How Harry can stomach working with either is beyond me.

Didn’t the RF actually want a private funeral for Diana but were pressurised to make it a public one? I didn’t agree with the boys walking behind the coffin but that doesn’t excuse a nearly forty year old man’s dreadful behaviour nearly thirty years later. .

Plus, Prince Philip had walked behind his beloved sister's coffin when he was just a teenager. I think he encouraged the boys, but gave them a choice. I have no idea if it was the right or wrong decision, but I agree, @BunnyLake - it certainly doesn't excuse Harry's behaviour.