GB News is losing the plot!

[LimeBiscuit]

I really don’t think there is a ‘contest’ other than in the minds of parts of the media. One brother will be King in time and the other brother wants to leave a meaningful legacy in his own right. So far both are doing a great job in carving out their own lives. I hope the brothers come to a point in time where they can be friends again. Life is too short to hold on to anger. The media doesn’t help by embroiling itself in their relationship - or lack thereof currently. I think many people in many countries would love to see a sense of family togetherness again with all of the current King’s grandchildren getting to know one another. It would show how a public facing family can overcome its own difficulties if KCIII could bring both brothers into line again. It’s time to stop painting Harry as the black sheep of the family. It hasn’t worked, it just drives more dissent and anti monarchy feeling in the younger generation. If we are to have a King William and a King George then the younger generation do need to see the institution as worth holding onto. As Harry is clearly active on the world stage harnessing his global appeal would be an advantageous move by the current King.

https://www.gbnews.com/royal/kate-middleton-prince-william-news-meghan-markle-prince-harry-contest

Chapter one of Spare recounts in detail the conversation Harry had with Charles and William after Philip’s funeral. Maybe read that?

And the text exchange recounted in Spare was “helpfully” mocked up by several of the papers, as it was clearly seen as very juicy.

@smilesy I will say again, I think it was crystal clear I was NOT backtracking. I was answering very specific questions.
The Palace can leak some stories whilst at the same time threatening to leak other stories. The two actions are not mutually exclusive.

Now that I’ve responded to your request with details, please can you tell me the evidence you rely on when you say the Palace has a long history of leaking stories about Harry?

Because, as others have said, Spare suggested the opposite - the Palace press teams had massively kept a lid on stores about him coming out.

@Serenster I wondered if you were referring to the dresses conversation. That had already been leaked to the press. Harry was saying what had been leaked was inaccurate and was stating what really happened. But isn't that obvious?

Save your breath, smilesy; surely we all know by now that this kind of allegation's never clarified, and that if it's pushed the narrative will simply swap to something else?

It's only a personal view I know, but I've always believed this comes back to Jason Knauf revealing the proof that Meghan had lied - an action for which some will clearly never forgive him. I'm not sure that counts as a "palace leak" exactly, but no matter; even if it wasn't there'll be those who'll say (and have) that he was put up to it

Well, "his version" didn't quite get the outpouring of sympathy and understanding he wanted, did it? I don't know of one person who thought it acceptable to make the (very slightly) older person he lost his virginity to potentially identifiable and can't imagine for one second the Palace machinery would have held it as a threat. "His version" of his mockery of the school matron (again, potentially identifiable) hardly showed him in a good light, at all.

The William thing is of course heavily slanted in his favour but I think most of us realise there are potentially two sides to stories, especially when dealing with a proven unreliable narrator, which Harry is.

Spare wasn't the PR triumph you seem to think it was.

I’m not asking you to say it again. I have explained what I understood you to mean and I accept that I had misunderstood, although I personally still don’t think your meaning was clear
You have still not said which court case you are referring to though
Also, the irony of you seeking clarification from @Serenster seems to be lost on you 😆

Nothing about the specifics of what had happened about the bridesmaid dresses had been covered in the press, no. The rumours that had been reported on in the Press had been that there had been some kind of issue at a fitting at Givenchy’s London atelier, or that the dispute had been that Kate had wanted Charlotte to wear tights and Meghan had said no.

But Meghan herself then brought this up and spoke at length on Oprah about this issue. The gist of that was that Kate had done something bad (“I would have hidden this issue and never spoken about it. But she made ME cry!” Etc etc). So Meghan’s riposte was already given.

All of the details in Spare then were new, then, including the text message exchange. What was the justification for this when Meghan had already covered it? Rightfully, anyone else would be criticised for revealing a private text conversation without permission. It’s like revealing the content of DMs here or on twitter - it’s an invasion of privacy.

Kate has never said a word about this, by the way. Harry and Meghan can’t let it go, though. Meghan also brought it up in her Cut interview as well. So that’s three goes at Kate so far, when she is as they know sating silent about this and every other issue.

How many more will we see, I wonder?

Can you now please be explicit yourself about your evidence of the Palace leaking about Harry?

@smilesy thank you for acknowledging you misunderstood what I said.

@Uricon2 I was not commenting on whether this PR tactic worked or not. I was simply answering the question about why would Harry reveal so much personal detail. And I have repeatedly explained that this is a common PR tactic where the individual fears the stories will be leaked or there will be threats to leak the stories.
In this case the Palace leaking stories about Harry or threatening to leak stories.
Harry has simply carried out a dump of everything he thinks might be leaked by the Palace or they might threaten to leak. And sold a lot of books and made a lot of money in the process.

Harry has simply carried out a dump of everything he thinks might be leaked by the Palace or they might threaten to leak. And sold a lot of books and made a lot of money in the process.

You can’t use that argument about the bridesmaid dresses though, because Harry already knew that Kate had never commented on or engaged with this story. Not when reported by the press as a rumour, not when brought up by Meghan on Oprah,, not when brought up by Meghan (again) in the Cut. So he can have had no reason to think that after three separate times it had come up and she had said nothing that she was was about to say something about that issue so he needed to tell the world about her text messages and the context.

So the only reason he brought it up was to sell the book and make money then. (I suppose it furthered his wife’s anti-Kate agenda too)

No worries. Do you have the info on which of Harry’s court case we should be looking at for evidence of palace leaks, please?

@Serenster Come on! You know that is not how it works. Catherine does not go on TV and say Meghan made me cry. The Palace leaked the story. Harry commented because he was saying what was leaked was inaccurate. Catherine made Meghan cry.
My honest view? Who the fuck cares. Its a storm in a tea cup. But still people like you bring it up years later.

Do you have evidence that the palace leaked the story? Oh…wait… 😆

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Just google it. The Palace leaking stories has been well covered in the court case and the press. Anyone who reads newspapers has read about this.

Aargh! Which court case 😂😂😂

I have no idea how the story got to Camilla Tominey (the journalist who initially broke it). Camilla herself has said that:

“It’s a difficult one for journos because you can never discuss your sources… But I would humbly suggest that there are more sources that could brief on behaviour during a wedding than simply those that work at the Palace. I’m saying I stand by my story.”

(She has also pointed out that her story, written several months after Meghan and Harry were married, was simply pointing out that there were tensions between the couple, which went back as far as the wedding. She was clearly correct about this, as we now know! So her sources may well have been correct too. It also wasn’t her who splashed this story as “Meghan made Kate cry” - it was The Sun that did that the next day).

I’d also point out that we only have Meghan’s side of this story. Whether newly postpartum Kate was also upset over this incident has never been revealed by Kate.

Personally I agree it was likely a storm in a teacup between two stressed women. But one side wont let it go, will they!

Since despite repeated requests you haven't produced it, I’m taking that as it doesn’t exist.

Allegations of unlawful information gathering at News Group Newspapers (NGN)
Unlawful information gathering claim against Mirror Group Newspapers (MGN)

Its fairly obvious.

The cases in which Harry is claiming the newspapers themselves hacked his voicemail messages and used other illegal techniques (like putting a tracker on his girlfriend’s car) in order to get information on which they could directly base stories?

You’ll have to clarify how those cases demonstrate the Palace was leaking stories to those newspapers, I’m afraid.

Is it? That is about phone hacking and bugging.etc. What’s that got to do with the palace leaking? That’s not unlawful

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@Serenster Camilla Tominey obviously has good sources at the Palace. She broke the world exclusive that Harry was dating Meghan Markle.

That could have equally come from someone who knew via Meghan

Smilesy I’ve always thought it was most likely that that scoop did indeed come from someone close to Meghan. Very close indeed, perhaps. She was dropping enough hints on her instagram…