Royal family should consider paying H & M off by way of an NDA?

[ilovemoney]

Harry and Meghan had difficult childhoods. I liked Diana but she was unstable, didn't see much of them and they witnessed her being unstable or with a recent boyfriend during the rare times in the holidays they saw her. They grew up in a lot of tension and under the spotlight. Not saying it was all bad but it clearly affected Harry and i think he was troubled by the time she sadly died.

He then had issues with drink and drugs which seem quite entrenched. He was sent to Africa to get him away and off drink and drugs to no avail. Then years of therapy to no avail. I suspect he may have a personality disorder which are near impossible to treat.

The palace over the years have covered up for him and done a fabulous if a little dishonest, PR job, which i think Harry owes them for, but also the palace and family situation were in many ways had some culpability for the state he was in. They kept him well under the wing of William and Kate for example.
I also feel like they sort of should have protected him more from meeting someone with not great intentions who was also damaged.

Meghan has a really strange family who don't seem that nice and Doria was apparently in prison for many years which must have been so hard. I saw a clip of her when she was about 11 and i see a child so very unhappy.
She also owes the palace who scrubbed her internet past and no doubt organised some NDS to give her a fresh start but again some blame here on the palace as this sort of now feels a bit of a cover up as i think there was rather a lot to cover up and its one thing deleting a few pictures but another to blank this woman's past completely.

Anyway the palace knew and tried their best to manage the pair of them.
They now have both of them using their titles to tour the world and take part in charity work which is really questionable.
Harry in particular is an embarrassing wrecking ball who has the publics interest.
Apparently the palace are worried about Spare 2 and God knows what else when they run out of money.
I think they are right to be worried. At the moment it is an embarrassing car crash after car crash, Africa parks, new York taxis, cringe trip to Nigeria and on and on.

I have no doubt the RF are hurt and angry with them and a NDA would be a very hard pill to swallow but if they want them to go and live quietly and stop embarrassing the royal family i think they are going to have to pay for it to the tune of a few million a year in exchange for some clear rules.

In a few years Megan will be just another ageing actress and Harry will be far less appealing to the gossip mags. He's already pretty dull.

The palace are better off just keeping low contact, no discussion.

The RF have plenty of positives at the moment, William & Catherine, the three children, Edward & Sophie, their children, Zara Tyndall, even Beatrice & Eugenie have turned out OK (apart from poor taste in hats). Time is moving on. H&M aren't that important any more.

What evidence is there for this?

Of course they do. They are making money for themselves in a way they think will make them money. They can't get fame unless there is a public interest in what they are doing. The tabloids are not forced to print pictures and announcements from their Instagram. They are not forced to publish papped photos. They are not forced to report anything about them at all. They do it because stories about Harry and Megham make them money, far more than any other member of the RF. Which is why they shoehorn Meghan into any story whenever they can. The only people who aren't making money out of it are the ones who need to stop feeding it. People who endlessly have two people they don't know living rent-free in their heads.

"rent free in their heads" is such an odd statement.
Harry and Meghan want the headlines. They're a controversial couple and they're quite entertaining. I think that's it for most people.

I've reported your post for spreading lies and conspiracies. Doria has never been to prison and harry doesn't have a personality disorder. Stop being bitter and jealous.

I think they'd have been very unwise not to prepare a range of potential responses in advance and that would include the one they went for in the end - silence. Obviously we're never going to know for sure but yes, I think the gist of the report is believable, likewise the reports Meghan may have lost her temper with hapless TV staff if she deemed an interview not to have gone her way.

I'd love to see that hushed up bullying report made public...

OK but seriously learn to read. I said that he may have a personality disorder, based on years of therapy not helping him and i said that rumour has it and apparently Doria was in prison. i then stated i didnt know but it is a persistent rumour, which it is.

Doria wasn't in jail. She was in court twice. Once to file for bankruptcy and once because her landlord was trying to evict her. The UK press obediently did not report on this, nor on the other dramas of Meghan's colourful family members, but it's not that difficult to find eg https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/boozing-bust-ups-and-bankruptcies-meet-meghan-markles-family-prince-harry/CN5AW3CQYGEITSF5EAGI4NLH74/#google_vignette

I give Megs a lot of props for the things she's achieved despite having a difficult family background. I definitely relate to that!

Re Harry, my reading of him is as follows:

• psychologically unstable, Cluster B personality stuff, possible learning difficulties, probably substance abuse issues, probably anger issues/Explosive Personality Disorder
• heavily protected by Palace, stories relating to the above hushed up in UK
• Palace was worried about the Meghan relationship, not because of racism (that's just stupid and cynical retconning) but because they suspected that the combination of the two of them would bring out the worst in Harry and play on his vulnerabilities
• Harry was gung-ho though and steamed ahead, getting angry and aggressive when family members tried to make him think again
• Marriage date set on very quickly by royal standards
• Harry misread his family's concern as opposition/racism and Meg may or may not have colluded in this, hence atmosphere starts to sour
• When Harry leaves royal fold, Palace withdraws PR support and protection. Perfectly understandable. You can't protect someone who's left The Firm because by definitition they are no longer under their sphere of protection
• Harry is left angry and lashing out like a wasp stuck in a box. When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Harry's paranoia and rage (which are probably deeply entrenched by his childhood traumas and Cluster B personality) are the hammer in this metaphor and everything else that hoves onto his horizon (Camilla, the tabloids, the paps, Kate, William, that leftover bit of burrito in the fridge) are the nails
• M&H have probably been in an 'us against the world' mindset for a few years, it's not a terribly healthy dynamic, and normally breaks when the more mentally well and resourceful of the couple in questions decides they've had enough...
• ...or sometimes they just stew in a folie a deux morass forever

@GiveMeSpanakopita

Regarding your last post, would the UK press that didn't report of Doria's court appearances be the same UK press that had it in for Meghan from day one?

And, reading it, a question.occurred to me for the first time. If Harry were to be granted 24/7/365 protection, paid for by government - how could he trust the individual officers not to spy on him, report back, and then have e.g. Camilla leak?

Doria was not imprisoned. That is one of the lies the media put out.

Diana saw a lot of Harry and William, spent much time with them and was far from unstable (that was another lie propagated by courtiers), once she matured and became her own person. They came first with her.

Meghan and Harry do not need a pay off from the palace, they have plenty of money. What Harry wants is an acknowledgement from his family that they did not give the necessary support; I doubt he will get that but he doesn't need cash.

H&M are well out of it and I wish them every happiness and success.

They never had it in for Meghan from Day One. They were obsequiously welcoming of her, bar none. Anyone on this thread who has access to full online press archives such as Factiva, Lexus Nexus or Precise will know this as well as I do.

The ONLY "negative" headline that H&M have ever been able to point to from the early days is 'Straight Outta Compton' and, as I have exhaustively explained in the past (because I'm an obsessive fan of classic hip hop lol), that was in homage to the groundbreaking and seminal album of the same name by NWA, who were to hip hop what the Rolling Stones were to rock, and whose vastly acclaimed biopic, Straight Outta Compton, hit UK cinemas in the same week as that headline.

No, the tabloids were ready, willing and happy to play the love game for Meghan and Harry. The tone only turned when H&M were found to have taken private jets to holiday with Elton John instead of going to a military commemoration event in Deal, Kent (which hugely upset the locals as they cancelled at the last minute) a few days after lecturing hoi polloi on the role frequent flying plays in climate change.

That particular piece of hypocrisy was rightly skewered. Shortly thereafter, Harry issued his broadside against the tabs, and there was mutual antipathy from that point on.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but the media is obsessed by the couple and so are people on the Royal threads
If you lot would stop with the constant speculation about Meghan and Harry you may get your wish , but you can’t because everyone and their dog knows that people are only interested in Meghan and Harry .
Meghan and Harry did themselves the biggest favour by leaving this country and moving to America

You’re still not able to say precisely what you mean. Are you saying, as some pps have guessed, that Harry should have been prevented from meeting/marrying Meghan? Or are you saying the RF should have known he would go for an unsuitable match and should have somehow mitigated against any attendant risks in advance, even before they knew precisely whom he was likely to meet and marry?

Regardless of whether you are a supported of H&M or not, it is clear that the RF would not wish them to continue to write personal details about family members in one or more books and or interviews.
However, the RF do not have very much leverage. That is, I think it is perfectly acceptable to stop being a working member of the family, and they were initially invited to family events/Jubilee/ Coronation/ Balmoral, etc (and they may still be invited, for all I know).
Leaving the RF is fine, and they could have made a good job of their spotify, ARO projects, etc, except that it appears they are reluctant to put in the initial work. eg Gwyneth Paltro has Goop, but she has been doing this for a number of years, and is an 'A' list actress that she can full back on, etc.
So the RF can 'remove' their titles, to the sounds of 'racism', and hwo do they stop H&M contnuing to use them?.
In my view the only leverageis to reduce their footprint on the RF website. eg reduce the content and remove the link to their own website.
Sadly, I think this may have long lasting consequences for those such as George, Charlotte and Louis. when they are grown, and wish to have a partner, could their potential partners be trusted?

@ilovemoney what i dont get is why interviewers do not ask the difficult questions??? no one has asked straight out if doria was in prison!! no one has confronted meghan about her lies in the oprah interview! no one has confronted harry about his non extistent knowledge of the workings of the royal family or even how weddings are actually conducted!! Are archie and lilibet genetically theirs? did she have a hysterectomy? does she have an adult daughter?? why not just put them on the spot????

Does it ever in the world in space occur to him that the money , the privileges , the titles he has which get him eg some of these awards , Netflix etc money , patronages are only because he is the 2nd son of the King.

Does it ever occur to him that a lot of the money - eg for protection - is paid for by us taxpayers.

My take on it ( and I know as much as anyone outside the family- what they want us to know) is that I don't think Harry is any more ' mentally unwell' than many in his family. There were stories about Princess Beatrice snorting Cocaine too, but they have disappeared. Princess Margaret was an alcoholic. They have had 'issues' for generations. I think what he is is a spoilt little rich boy who wants his own way. Harry's destiny was to receive handouts from his grandmother, father, brother in return for doing as he was told and being less and less relevant and less and less important. He wants to change it so he is as important in his family as his brother, but that's not what Monarchy is. The other' spares (even Andrew) understand that if they shut up and do as they are told they can live a life of luxury. Harry moaned about his lot, about the press, and Meghan decided that he was a victim that she could ' save' in a Hollywood way, and has egged him on in his tales of woe, and told him that he was right. But the Monarchy needs the press. It's not the olden days where they would keep their secrets for nothing in return. William and Charles know this and they have a stake in keeping the Monarchy popular, but Harry wants the olden days when the Royals could do what they liked and the press wouldn't pry. But the press keeps important things secret for them in return for access and leaked stories, and that is what they need. If there really were 100 stories the Palace was worried about Harry revealing, that's a lot of secrets, and who knows what they were, considering what we know about what they did and do get up to.

@GiveMeSpanakopita Oooh, I didn't know that particular detail of the Elton John trip!

As "working" royals, they do seem to have p!ssed off a lot of people in a short space of time.

@LBFseBrom - how do you know this?

MN doesn't delete for rumours. People have described Andrew as a paedophile on here and that kind of thing is never deleted. The most outlandish things were spoken about as regards the Princess of Wales illness.

There's a book called the Housekeepers Diary by Wendy Berry, a housekeeper at Highgrove in the 80s.
It provides an interesting insight into the dynamics of the marriage!! they both come across as spoilt and petulant but Diana in particular sounded VERY difficult to live with.
A Youtuber called Cheere Denise reads through it with commentary, she does a great impression of Diana.

"Harry wants an acknowledgement from his family that he did not get the necessary support"
Right. By telling lies about them, invading their privacy and monetising it? Interesting tactic.

I think what you’ve written is really unfair on Diana. I think she was a very loving mother. I don’t think she wanted to spend time away from her boys. If they had unstable childhoods, then their father is also responsible for that. I think being away from her children was very hard for her.

People make a lot of it but I think Harry just took an opportunity to leave and make a new, less duty-bound life for himself and his family.

Diana spent most of that last summer in 97 away from her sons. Remember they were at boarding school, so it's not as if she saw them frequently in term time. The press at the time were very critical of her poor parenting.