Page 7 | German documentary about Meghan

sausawyee · 2024-07-26T08:03:20+00:00

https://www.skynews.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity-life/every-detail-will-be-checked-bombshell-meghan-markle-documentary-delayed-while-producers-seek-legal-advice/news-story/e56d56d3e60f37af6a31da01b455f0b2?amp I have seen several newspapers referring to this German documentary. It's the first I've heard of it.

Toseland · 28/07/2024 19:01

AnnHistorian · 27/07/2024 19:20

Meghan has a tell when she wants Harry to go along with whatever she's saying. You can see it in the engagement interview, the Oprah interview and the curtsey story. Why he goes along with it is unclear.

What's the tell?

LouiseBourgeos · 28/07/2024 19:04

CoffeeCantata · 28/07/2024 18:56

Meghan brought up the “Waitey Katey” label in her Oprah interview and insinuated that that was the extent of the mistreatment Kate received from the press, completely minimising all the physical harassment, abuse and gross invasions of privacy her sister in law did have to live through for 10 years.

I agree with your entire post.

It's so fascinating to watch the games Meghan plays. It's a nasty trick, isn't it, to say something like 'People call her Waity Katie, but that's so mean!'

I've witnessed people say things like that followed by performative sympathy They get 2 points for this: the disingenuously repeated insult and then claiming to be shocked and sympathethic.

It's like saying 'People say Kate's mean, hard, snobbish, cold etc etc, but I think that's just mean!' Then why bring it up in the first place?

I remember from the OW interview Meghan said 'But Kate's a good person really'. Hmmm. Damned by faint praise etc Very manipulative stuff.

Yes, as someone said earlier - we all know a Meghan.

Mylovelygreendress · 28/07/2024 19:19

“Also in Endgame, the blame for Meghan not receiving help for her mental health is pinned on Catherine.”

For the duration of H and M’s engagement Catherine was pregnant with Louis plus had 2 young children at home . The wedding was about 3 weeks after Louis’s birth.
So , for virtually the entire ( short) time Meghan was a working member of the RF, Catherine was dealing with pregnancy- including HG- and 3 very young DC but Meghan blamed her for not supporting her !?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/07/2024 19:27

Sunlime · 28/07/2024 17:15

Do we know why Omid was mysteriously dumped from being their mouthpiece yet?

Again I'll be clear that this is only a personal view, but it's possibly not so much that H&M dumped Scobie as that he had no choice but to step back

However few the copies available, naming Charles and Catherine as the royal racists in the Dutch version of his book was an extremely risky thing to do to people who've got the very best lawyers on tap, and if they felt he'd gone too far I don't imagine it would be hard to frighten him badly

ZenNudist · 28/07/2024 19:32

Why is it OK for them to rehash the past when it embarrases other people, but not OK when it's her past being dragged up?

Those who live by the sword....

smilesy · 28/07/2024 19:33

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/07/2024 19:27

Again I'll be clear that this is only a personal view, but it's possibly not so much that H&M dumped Scobie as that he had no choice but to step back

However few the copies available, naming Charles and Catherine as the royal racists in the Dutch version of his book was an extremely risky thing to do to people who've got the very best lawyers on tap, and if they felt he'd gone too far I don't imagine it would be hard to frighten him badly

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Scobie has that royal novel thing coming out though, so he wasn’t that scared 🤷‍♀️

Theinflictuswithrictusgames · 28/07/2024 19:35

CoffeeCantata · 28/07/2024 18:56

Meghan brought up the “Waitey Katey” label in her Oprah interview and insinuated that that was the extent of the mistreatment Kate received from the press, completely minimising all the physical harassment, abuse and gross invasions of privacy her sister in law did have to live through for 10 years.

I agree with your entire post.

It's so fascinating to watch the games Meghan plays. It's a nasty trick, isn't it, to say something like 'People call her Waity Katie, but that's so mean!'

I've witnessed people say things like that followed by performative sympathy They get 2 points for this: the disingenuously repeated insult and then claiming to be shocked and sympathethic.

It's like saying 'People say Kate's mean, hard, snobbish, cold etc etc, but I think that's just mean!' Then why bring it up in the first place?

I remember from the OW interview Meghan said 'But Kate's a good person really'. Hmmm. Damned by faint praise etc Very manipulative stuff.

You’ve just reminded me about another bit of Endgame. The alleged “Katie Keen” nickname Scobie attributes to Catherine. A nickname nobody else in the royal rota or in the wider press had ever heard of - but who just happened to be a character (the perfect, conformist girl) from Meghan’s favourite Archie comics.

Runnerinthenight · 28/07/2024 19:44

Theinflictuswithrictusgames · 28/07/2024 19:35

You’ve just reminded me about another bit of Endgame. The alleged “Katie Keen” nickname Scobie attributes to Catherine. A nickname nobody else in the royal rota or in the wider press had ever heard of - but who just happened to be a character (the perfect, conformist girl) from Meghan’s favourite Archie comics.

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What a coincidence, not! M really is the ultimate mean girl isn't she?!

BigWillyLittleTodger · 28/07/2024 19:50

I thought this was a very insightful short from Chase Hughes

https://youtube.com/shorts/bYiWInk1T94?si=25XJijVMMVrw301k

Before you continue to YouTube

https://youtube.com/shorts/bYiWInk1T94?si=25XJijVMMVrw301k

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/07/2024 19:57

smilesy · 28/07/2024 19:33

Scobie has that royal novel thing coming out though, so he wasn’t that scared 🤷‍♀️

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A very fair point, smilesy, though of course we don't know what's in it yet - and maybe writing something which by its very definition is fiction might be more acceptable than Scobie pretending to know facts?

CathyorClaire · 28/07/2024 21:24

worst of all had to spend time with -shudder - members of the public .

Harold's face when he had to share a lift with the great unwashed is quite the picture.

Meghan sweeping sticky Row 5 Seat J cinema floors with designer rags (and no free water!) another.

Not sure they dodged that much of a bullet really...

Theinflictuswithrictusgames · 28/07/2024 21:27

BigWillyLittleTodger · 28/07/2024 19:50

I thought this was a very insightful short from Chase Hughes

https://youtube.com/shorts/bYiWInk1T94?si=25XJijVMMVrw301k

More insight in that short than a gazillion posts explaining and excusing this vile individual.

Mummyoflittledragon · 29/07/2024 06:12

BigWillyLittleTodger · 28/07/2024 19:50

I thought this was a very insightful short from Chase Hughes

https://youtube.com/shorts/bYiWInk1T94?si=25XJijVMMVrw301k

Yes, very insightful. And she makes it known this moment is of great significance to her.

Mummyoflittledragon · 29/07/2024 06:19

Sunlime · 28/07/2024 17:15

Do we know why Omid was mysteriously dumped from being their mouthpiece yet?

Is it not the ‘mistake’ of allowing Charles and Catherine to be named in the Dutch version of finding freedom?

Freysimo · 29/07/2024 06:57

CoffeeCantata · 28/07/2024 12:57

Yes, she did apparently (I've been interested in this for a while and have done a bit of research) but not as good as Prince Philip's. The Queen (like me and maybe you?) learned her French and German in the UK in a classroom context (never ideal) whereas PP was brought up for a while in France and also Germany, speaking those languages in the family every day.. I've seen him interviewed in both German and French and he was fluent. The comments underneath the video from native speakers were very complimentary - saying that his French and German were totally 'native' but a bit old-fashioned in their vocab.

I do think it should be a priority for the RF to be fluent in at least 2 other languages, and to be able to get by in perhaps one more. I think the Wales children have learned Spanish from their nanny, which is encouraging.

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The Wales children should be taught Welsh also.

CoffeeCantata · 29/07/2024 06:58

CathyorClaire · Yesterday 21:24
worst of all had to spend time with -shudder - members of the public .

That's what comes over if you watch the notorious Buck House Garden Party video. M clearly couldn't believe she was actually supposed to stay and talk to these people. You can see Charles and Camilla (and Harry, to be fair) trying to tell her that that is the whole point of royal garden parties, but she's having none of it. She thought just turning up in a designer dress, waving and smiling for 5 mins was enough.

It's ironic but Meghan strikes me as far more elitist and (in a way) snobbish than the royals. She just could not believe that she was supposed to waste her time and attention on non-celebs - or at least, people who weren't of any use to her. It comes over very strongly to me in all she does.

CoffeeCantata · 29/07/2024 07:05

The Wales children should be taught Welsh also.

I think possibly George should, yes. William definitely needs to learn some.

I'm being realistic, though. I've had a go at leaning some Welsh and I've found it difficult in an artificial context (I mean not living there and being totally immersed), and if you don't use it a lot, you'll soon lose it. So I think it's unrealistic to expect William to become really fluent, but he could learn some basic, conversational Welsh and be able to make speeches at least.

But (and I'm a mild, non-fawing royalist 😆) I think, diplomatically and politically, the whole Prince of Wales thing should probably quietly fade away in the next generation. Or at least, the Welsh should be asked if they want the office to continue in any form.

mpsw · 29/07/2024 08:27

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/07/2024 10:19

I hadn't twigged that the "lift to the shops" story was so close to the start of the relationship, and it does seem odd to be feeding such accounts to others quite so soon

Not exactly something which would make a family warm to a newcomer, but perhaps Meghan didn't care?

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It seems that the then Duchess of Cambridge was going out to the shops alone. That could only happen if her CP team had agreed it was an unpredictable outing (no potential assassin is going to be waiting round in Peter Jones on the off chance that today's the day she goes private shopping alone), that it was to known places they were happy about, and that it would not attract much attention.

For MM to join her, at least 2 of those assumptions go out of the window. And the Duchess would have understood that she needed to run the trip past CP again, and then head out with whatever team they though suitable for a much more eye-catching trip (attention from cameras, possibly paps). It wouldn't have taken that much time (probably) to get CP in place, but would have used up some; and we don't know how much time she had on that specific day. Nor whether there were any other reasons which meant she would prefer to go alone.

At best, this shows that MM, that early in her relationship, did not grasp what it meant to be CP'ed by the British police and was unwise to invent (unfriendly) motivations for someone whose choices were normal/rational in those circumstances.

Uricon2 · 29/07/2024 08:30

Good points re Welsh @CoffeeCantata and the office of PoW. I've lived there and although I can't be sure, I'm not certain a majority of Welsh people would want it scrapped, even if it continues in present inherited form, but asking them would be the right thing.

I think William and George do need to learn enough to get by, but as someone who has tried themselves, it is beautiful but a difficult language for English speakers to learn as adults and hard to make "stick" without immersion and continued use. Perhaps a year at a Welsh uni, exclusively studying it ala Charles is an idea?

thecatsthecats · 29/07/2024 08:37

To be fair, William literally lived and worked in Anglesey for years. If I could pick up a few phrases on an annual holiday and later working for a firm with lots of Welsh clients, he could definitely manage conversational Welsh.

smilesy · 29/07/2024 08:51

mpsw · 29/07/2024 08:27

It seems that the then Duchess of Cambridge was going out to the shops alone. That could only happen if her CP team had agreed it was an unpredictable outing (no potential assassin is going to be waiting round in Peter Jones on the off chance that today's the day she goes private shopping alone), that it was to known places they were happy about, and that it would not attract much attention.

For MM to join her, at least 2 of those assumptions go out of the window. And the Duchess would have understood that she needed to run the trip past CP again, and then head out with whatever team they though suitable for a much more eye-catching trip (attention from cameras, possibly paps). It wouldn't have taken that much time (probably) to get CP in place, but would have used up some; and we don't know how much time she had on that specific day. Nor whether there were any other reasons which meant she would prefer to go alone.

At best, this shows that MM, that early in her relationship, did not grasp what it meant to be CP'ed by the British police and was unwise to invent (unfriendly) motivations for someone whose choices were normal/rational in those circumstances.

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Great points which also serve to underline that Meghan did not really understand the constraints of life as a Royal, or that they had not been adequately explained to her. It’s also ironic that Harry is now claiming that his family need that very security that she was prepared to undermine, albeit accidentally

Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/07/2024 09:37

That makes perfect sense, @mpsw, though I confess to smiling at the "possible paps" had Meghan been included in the trip; personally I'd say that would be a near-certainty

It's true that it indicates a lack of understanding of how these things are done, though in fairness that's only natural with someone new to the job - but then that's surely why most folk would look into it rather than taking instant offence and running to the media

smilesy · 29/07/2024 09:56

Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/07/2024 09:37

That makes perfect sense, @mpsw, though I confess to smiling at the "possible paps" had Meghan been included in the trip; personally I'd say that would be a near-certainty

It's true that it indicates a lack of understanding of how these things are done, though in fairness that's only natural with someone new to the job - but then that's surely why most folk would look into it rather than taking instant offence and running to the media

Also, I think on a relatable level, Catherine probably didn’t get much opportunity to go off shopping on her own, which is something we all like to do I’m sure. Given that for her to do that is a bit of a logistical nightmare and she is never really completely “on her own”, she must have been caught off guard by this newbie wanting to go with her and not realising the issues that would cause, not to mention having to be accommodating to someone she hardly knew

Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/07/2024 10:04

Very true, @smilesy, but adapting for that would involve Meghan considering someone else's needs and wants, and sadly it appears that her only concern is her own

CoffeeCantata · 29/07/2024 10:07

Uricon2 · 29/07/2024 08:30

Good points re Welsh @CoffeeCantata and the office of PoW. I've lived there and although I can't be sure, I'm not certain a majority of Welsh people would want it scrapped, even if it continues in present inherited form, but asking them would be the right thing.

I think William and George do need to learn enough to get by, but as someone who has tried themselves, it is beautiful but a difficult language for English speakers to learn as adults and hard to make "stick" without immersion and continued use. Perhaps a year at a Welsh uni, exclusively studying it ala Charles is an idea?

Yes, totally agree. A year at a Welsh uni would be the answer.

I'm old and have seen/read about/researched all the hoo-ha over Charles's investiture, and of course the feelings of Welsh nationalists. I get the objections, but I also agree with your point: it's not as straighforward as that. Some Welsh people like having a PoW, and even with those who didn't in 1969, sometimes opinions change and develop over time. You could argue that, rather than being an insult, the office of PoW is a recognition of the cultural and historical importance of Wales as a separate country.

I have lots of Welsh friends and I hope I'm aware of some of the issues around nationalism etc involved - i don't want to offend anyone with this! I'm just talking about all kinds of opinions I've read about in the past and recently.