German documentary about Meghan

[sausawyee]

www.skynews.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity-life/every-detail-will-be-checked-bombshell-meghan-markle-documentary-delayed-while-producers-seek-legal-advice/news-story/e56d56d3e60f37af6a31da01b455f0b2?amp

I have seen several newspapers referring to this German documentary. It's the first I've heard of it.

Not clever enough to fool you though, eh? Jolly well done.

Did Sarah or Jane ever work? They married successful men, but they weren’t aristos or extremely wealthy. I imagine Diana would have married a similar type of man. Someone like Pippa’s husband.

@Hughs Not clever enough to fool you though, eh? Jolly well done"

Actually, yes absolutely, easily clever enough to fool me. As I said!

Not a villain but a flawed human being . When she died she was starting to receive bad press mainly for her affairs especially with married men . Her holidays with the Al-Fayeds certainly raised eyebrows.
On the morning she died not all Sunday papers were pulled in time and there was at least 2 scathing articles that I remember.
Diana was complex . Her family was dysfunctional and should have protected her better .
She did some good work - AIDS and landlines in particular but let’s not turn her into a saint !

Obviously not a saint. Nobody could have maintained the fairytale virgin into adulthood. And her family was spectacularly dysfunctional. I suppose she was the victim of a clash of two dysfunctional families with noone to protect her. I had never made the connection that in order for the RF to survive she had to be thrown under a bus.
Interesting that Charles appears to be forgiven his affairs with married women.....

Forgiven by whom? I see those stories resurrected here regularly. Also in tandem with Camilla bashing.

How, exactly, was she "thrown under a bus"?

I think you ascribe her too much power, if you think she could have destroyed the RF (not that she wanted to either, BTW).

I find that really surprising. There has been so much in the media over the years about Diana. I'm not saying Diana was more at fault than Charles. She just wasn't the saint some thought.

Diana most certainly was not "thrown under a bus". That phrase turns up a lot and means nothing. Who knows what would have happened had she developed her own life a bit more post divorce. Interestingly, she said near the end that she and Charles were getting on well. Perhaps there would have been some way to get along together more productively. Who knows. "Thrown under a bus" is so dramatic.

Quite, @sausawyee . No shortage of books, films, tv shows and articles since 1997.

Have you heard the story about Charles arriving in a helicopter at Kensington (after they'd divorced) and needing the bathroom? They called ahead to Diana and asked if he could pop into her apartment, which he did. As he left, she apparently popped her head out of the window and shouted 'same time, next week?' with a cheeky smile - implying he'd popped in for other favours! Who knows if it's true, but it would be nice to think that their relationship had reached such a comfortable stage for both of them.

I think she said in an interview not long before she died that they'd reached a point of friendship again, which is good. It's tragic that her life was cut short in such a dreadful way, especially if she was just beginning to have a more positive ans independent life.

Diana and Charles were both flawed individuals, as we all are. They both made mistakes, as we all do.

I found the instant canonisation when she died rather repulsive, and thought it diminished her by turning her into a cardboard cutout instead of a genuine and complex person.

She did some amazing things - holding the hands of AIDS patients - and could also hit on married men to the distress of their wife.

@Baital - you're absolutely right.

The Royal Family hasn't had to do anything in the last twenty years to 're-invent' Charles/Camilla, whatever that means. Camilla wasn't a villain either, any more than Diana.

I don’t think anyone thinks Diana was a ‘villain’ - that’s very black and white - that someone has to be a villain. But she wasn’t perfect either.
As for Camilla and Charles - they made mistakes, but who hasn’t. I don’t think their relationship was anything to do with Diana’s actual death.
Think some people need to move on.

I wouldn't describe Diana as a 'villain' but she was manipulative, her relationships with men were characterised by obsessive behaviour, she was a lover of using the Press and certainly not an angel (as she is often characterised). Charles didn't behave well either. I don't think one was better or worse than the other.

I think the relationship with Oliver Hoare, the art dealer, showed her neediness and obsession. She had a relationship with him for a couple of months, he was married. He ended the relationship. What followed were months and months of anonymous phone calls to his house. His wife eventually reported this to the police. They investigated and the calls were traced to Diana's private line in her apartment at Kensington Palace and phone boxes near to the palace. There were thousands of calls. Diana was spoken to by the police and she said it must have been a member of staff. She was told the phone calls had to stop and they did.

A very short relationship with Will Carling, a married Rugby player, resulted in him quickly backing away after she began buying him clothes and expensive presents and the Press being alerted to their meetings- it made him uncomfortable.

I think she was looking for what she never felt/saw as a child- unconditional, secure love. However, I'm not sure she knew what relationships are really about. She equated that kind of love with big gestures, public displays of proof of it and romance, not the nitty-gritty, hard work, sometimes dull, irritating times you have to work through. And it seems like, in friendships and family relationships too, she was a person who was self-destructive, controlling and huffy and would go NC for periods if she felt someone was not doing as she wanted- her brother, one of her sisters, her mother, friends, Sarah Ferguson all suffered this for shorter or longer periods. It's often a sign of insecurity and self-protection.

Charles was unsuited to her neediness. He was an adult, a man whose world met his needs- his work, his very established friends (he still has the same close circle), his projects, his influence, his tastes and pastimes. Her only choice was to fit into his world and she didn't and she couldn't change him. It was never going to work.

His behaviour with Camilla was what POW did - I don't think there has been one before him who didn't behave like that. There are titles in the British nobility created for the children and mistresses of ex-POW and Kings.

Interesting that people think that Camilla didn't need a "makeover". Obviously many posters are too young to remember how she was perceived by the public eye and by the press for years after Charles and Diana married and after Diana's death.

Camilla was vilified. Absolutely flamed in the press. That woman was a villain!
What did she do? Complain constantly? Whinge to the press? Write a blame-all book?
No. She worked at her role. Took it seriously. Engaged in positive projects. Was pleasant, friendly, low key, supportive.
Not once did she come across as a victim, and I respect her for that and the role she's carved out for herself.

Or perhaps people now see their previous perception was wrong. I thought Harry and Meghan were the only royals in the history of newsprint to get bad press. Is that not the case?

@CatrionaBalfour <shrug> She maintained an affair with a married man. Both she and he behaved equally despicably.

I know she did@CurlewKate . Can't people move on?
It's like The Scarlet Letter. A woman is always judged on her morality like this. We're talking more than 30 years ago now, so I think it's time to let go.

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@Gorgonemilezola "Or perhaps people now see their previous perception was wrong. I thought Harry and Meghan were the only royals in the history of newsprint to get bad press. Is that not the case?"

I don't think people "perceived" Camilla and Charles behaving badly. They did behave badly! And your remark about H&M is daft. Have you seen what the Press said about Sarah Fergusson? And Edward V111? And Edward Windsor?

Meghan, the anti bullying champion

And what about all the staff who were bullied by her?

Strange that many were headhunted for her by Harry but so many left, an amazing turnover of staff in such a short space of time.