Are the Royal Family Liked or Disliked

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Might as well find out whether the Royal Family is liked or not too.

What about this one too as many others were deleted? Surely it's all or none?

It's a bit strange deleting photos just because someone thinks they are a bit unflattering isn't it? Seems like censorship to me.

💐 I think we all get triggered here sometimes. Appreciate your comments above.

God knows. I thought it was fine. Maybe, if it becomes a ‘thing’ where people are cropped in or out etc then the press/photo agencies might see it as fake so not genuine. 🤷🏻‍♂️ I guess they were holding KP to a higher standard because of all the doctored photos online that exist, maybe. That way ensuring the integrity of the flow of information from the royal household whether pictorial or via press statements.

Misogyny and meanness would be a good standard but it’s never been set here prior in my memory.

I am the last to comment on anyone’s looks and have thrown fits when people did so here. But I also would appreciate clear, consistently applied rules. I’ve been both subject to and complained about “meanness” that was not removed when reported with inconsistent excuses given for why it was allowed to stand. I mean toward myself, others and and public figures, even ones I don’t particularly like.

I think calling someone a wench, a yacht girl or a step-ford wife is beyond the pale. Is that still ok?

I think calling someone a wench, a yacht girl or a step-ford wife is beyond the pale. Is that still ok?

Well in fact the phrase beyond the pale is not acceptable to me but I'm going to be kind and not report it.

I stupidly used the phrase without knowing the origin. Thank you for pointing it out as not to be used.

Why can't you say "beyond the Pale"? It just means those who lived outside the Pale of Settlement, like in Poland. So outsiders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement
Fiddler on the Roof was set in the Pale of Ukraine.

The link I found tied the phrases to English rule of Ireland.

Yes, Ireland too. Beyond the Pale, beyond the wall of settlement. Why is it bad?.

https://www.cntraveler.com/story/what-beyond-the-pale-actually-means

i don’t think it will fall out of use, but annoyed with myself for using a phrase without knowing the origin.

Why can't you use it, though?

‘Beyond the pale’ is used as an expression to describe someone or their actions as not acceptable in the extreme. I heard it growing up on more than one occasion.

Yes, I know what it means. I've read it for years. No-one is answering my question, just defining what I've known for years.

Are you Irish?

I don’t think the phrase originated because of The Pale in Ireland.

I think the idea of the paling fence and a safe interior and a potentially dangerous exterior was in common usage across Europe in the Middle Ages. So ‘beyond the pale’ was a common concept.

Thank you, @wordler that is exactly my point.

Although origins of language don’t always take precedence over what phrases have come to be understood by different communities.

For example I would never use the word uppity here in the USA because it’s come to represent a racial put down there, however I could use it with people in the UK who only know its original meaning and don’t connect it to any racial slurs.

So I’m interested in hearing from @JaneJeffer if the phrase is strongly objected to in Ireland.

Good points, @wordler . Words do change and have different meaning in different cultures. Although I find it strange that someone would use a phrase without knowing what it meant.

I'm not interested in getting into a big discussion with everyone about this. Look up the other threads on MN if you're interested.

Thank you @AliceOlive for taking my feelings into account

I also care about your feelings which is why I was trying to understand your reason for finding it offensive. I’ve tried searching MN and all that comes up for me is people using the phrase in threads but I haven’t found anyone discussing it.

I’ve searched on Google and read through discussions on Quora and Reddit - including several where the majority of Irish posters said it definitely didn’t bother them.

The origins of the phrase were not specifically aimed at being anti Irish - it was the wider use of the meaning of ‘the pale’ small p not ‘The Pale’ big P.

Which is why I am interested in your personal perspective. I don’t want to debate or argue with you. I wanted to know if you are Irish and that is the reason you find it offensive.

Precisely. Sums up my view.

Look I live in the UK , a History graduate and I have never heard of the pale in relation to Ireland. I do know about the Pale of Russia though. I'm not going to go on about English people calling Scottish people " Jocks" or referring to " Clearances" being offensive. This is like the report now that the Prince Albert Monument is now considered " offensive" as it depicts the 4 continents through Victorian eyes. What other eyes were they supposed to use? Eg " This includes the figure of a European woman reading a book to an African man." What ? You mean like Mary Slessor did in her work to stop the killing of twins in West Africa and to stop the killing of all a local chief's slaves and servants when he died? It's all madness.

a History graduate and I have never heard of the pale in relation to Ireland
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@wordler yes I am Irish. I can assure you such threads exist because I posted on them. I am sure you will understand my reluctance to discuss this subject when as you can see even a history graduate is ignorant of Irish history and people tend to get very tetchy on the subject and I really just can't be arsed with it again. I am also dubious about whether there is a genuine interest in the matter or whether it's seen as just another opportunity for reporting and deleting by certain individuals.