Mother of Pat Tillman has criticised the decision to give Prince Harry the memorial award at ESPY

[PrincessMee]

Mary Tillman says " There are recipients far more fitting. He publicly disrespected his family , ran away from service to his country. He is unworthy of this award"

She feels there are recipients far more fitting.

I think she speaks for many.

All watching the football maybe!

Perhaps they just have pre-prepared rants and that poster grabbed the first one in the file in their haste to post.

Maybe they've reached the end of the script and have to start again from the beginning?

@Mumofteenandtween Apart from Gretchen Evans and Kim Clavel none of the previous award winners, in my book have done anything extraordinary enough to deserve it. Marcus Rashford is a celeb and the Buffalo Bill team... well they were just doing their jobs?

Pat Tillman had everything and gave it up to serve his country.

However, all the recipients displayed exemplary conduct, which isn't the case for Harry! I understand why people are outraged. If he had even a shred of decency he'd decline it in favour of someone more deserving

This thread is not actually about Meghan.
It's about Harry.
Plus: this has all been completely debunked.

It's really pitiful.
Imagine being so desperate to defend Harry and his lies.

Ah , let me explain . Anything that happened a few years ago that casts Meghan in a good light ( poor unsupported Meghan) is absolutely fine to discuss .
But anything that casts Meghan in a bad light ( OW etc) is not allowed !
However it’s fine to bring up interviews by Diana , Charles and anything to do with Andrew and Sarah irrespective of the fact that some posters weren’t born at the time !

Plus: of course there were no "malicious briefings". As if. Harry just lied about that because he couldn't explain their failures and couldn't take any kind of responsibility.

Not sure I agree the Buffalo Bills training team were "just doing their job". Their job would be muscle pulls, sprains, concussions, conditioning etc not performing CPR and saving the life of one of their players.

I am surprised that in deciding Harry they bypassed the founders of the Warrior games or warrior games athletes and to top it all announced during the warrior games. There’d be no Invictus without the warrior games.

Well quite.

And there would certainly have been an Invictus games without Harry.

Not true - athletic training staff must know first aid and CPR. They're usually first responders in sport-related emergencies (granted, the ones that occur during training). Sudden cardiac arrest is one of the leading causes of death for young athletes.
https://commons.emich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1375&context=honors

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/211294248.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC164314/

Granted, during a match (as opposed to training) it wasn't their actual job, that would be the sports paramedics, but they were doing what they'd been trained to do. If it was a random member of the public or something THAT would be massive.

BTW I'm not denying how commendable their actions were - they saved a man's life. I'm just saying that they were not really 'ordinary' people jumping into action doing something that totally wasn't within their remit.

Totally agree with this. He really should have been able to support her better and I think let her down massively.

It might be currently better if someone else had taken the helm and focused on that rather than self aggrandisiment.

@LifeExperience 💐I am with you on this 👏

@mythical6figures

Regardless of them having received training, performing CPR isn't something they do regularly, if at all, other than this occasion. I'd go as far as to say it wasn't something they'd ever have truly anticipated having to do.

To justify a numbskull like Harry getting this we knock down previous recipients? Well that is a bit bizarre....

This is the main point of it all but something that Harry has yet to grasp. After all he styles himself like a Royal clinging onto his titles and conducts himself like a Royal as he sees it.

I disagree about Marcus Rashford. He may be a professional footballer, but his story is real rags to riches. He stood up to our shitty government at a time when they were throwing cash at their cronies while letting kids go hungry. I thought he was really brave.

MR fought the establishment, PH had the establishment come up with the idea of Invictus, bankroll it and do all the admin while he baskets in the glory.

Put his name in a headline and you will get a pile on, it’s a sick hobby for some people

In a nutshell! 😂

If this is in response to my comments - there's nothing bizarre if you'd read my post properly. I explicitly said that Harry's conduct makes him unworthy of the award.

@JADS I don't think criticizing the government, in the UK , for not doing something is 'fighting the establishment'. He lost nothing from making that statement - it was in line with public sentiment. What consequences did you think he was going to face? Especially as a player for Manchester United - a team, and a city that's somewhat anti-establishment.

I think, what I am really trying to say, in a long winded way is that this award does seem to be somewhat politically/popularity motivated. Not necessarily, as the PP I was replying to put it, for 'ordinary people doing extraordinary things'. MR's rags to riches story is irrelevant here, at the time of his actions leading to the award he was a rich celebrity.

The outrage is about Harry's conduct as a person IMO. Not his background and/or the suitability of his work. If he was not a liar who sold his family out for money and was constantly trying to hog the spotlight, this wouldn't be a problem. Oh, and also, never giving credit to anybody else!

I would love anyone to explain just how Harry holds up to the Pat Tillman Foundation values before there is talk of pile-ons.

See below.

OUR VALUES

Pat inspired us all to live our lives to fullest, and we've shaped this foundation around key principles that mattered to Pat the most.

SERVICE
Dedicated to service beyond self in and out of uniform
SCHOLARSHIP
A lifelong learner, passionate about intellectual growth
HUMBLE LEADERSHIP
Selflessly committed to leading by example
IMPACT
Determined to unite others and
advance ideas that change the world

If his mam cannot see it, then how is anyone else supposed to?

Me? I’m fucked if I can.

Has Harry ever attended the Warrior Games since that first time, do we know?

at least once, he was there with Jill Biden