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Mother of Pat Tillman has criticised the decision to give Prince Harry the memorial award at ESPY

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PrincessMee · 30/06/2024 08:58

Mary Tillman says " There are recipients far more fitting. He publicly disrespected his family , ran away from service to his country. He is unworthy of this award"

She feels there are recipients far more fitting.

I think she speaks for many.

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AliceOlive · 05/07/2024 18:52

Vespanest · 05/07/2024 17:00

The ex service forums in the UK, generally the unofficial ones can be brutal about Harry and Meghan, Germany certainly changed minds. Whoever came up with the idea of Meghan leading the UK ex soldiers in shorts and sandals was downright stupid. I’m ex military and spouses who somehow believed they were there husbands/wife rank were really took this piss out of. The arrse forum is overly brutal.

That rank thing happens in the US military, too. I was in post and heard a woman describe herself as her husband’s rank. It cracked me up.

I don’t really care about Harry getting this award one way or another. I don’t take most awards very seriously anyway. It’s nice, but obviously a bit of a ruse and awards always seem very political anyway. If it helps draw attention to Invictus I think that’s wonderful. Harry seems like a celebrity figure head at this point. Invictus is the one thing I think Harry truly cares about. Not so keen on how Meg is taking the spotlight but I think he means well and does help people.

IsoldeWagner · 05/07/2024 18:55

I thought Meghan looked utterly foolish leading that veterans march! Those flappy shorts and sandals! I do wonder if either of them have the power of self reflection. It would appear not.

Viviennemary · 05/07/2024 19:30

IsoldeWagner · 05/07/2024 18:55

I thought Meghan looked utterly foolish leading that veterans march! Those flappy shorts and sandals! I do wonder if either of them have the power of self reflection. It would appear not.

Just googled this. She looked utterly ridiculous. Cringe!

BemusedAmerican · 05/07/2024 19:39

The "summer of love" or campaign is, I suspect, paying for the blitz of positive articles. However, thanks to that bonkers First Amendment, the US readers are speaking their unpaid-for minds and posting negative comments. Hence the dichotomy.

BasiliskStare · 06/07/2024 21:54

I just think they do have a tin ear

Salemforcuddles · 08/07/2024 10:19

It says everything about Harry that he is " stunned" with the reaction to this nomination

Locusteater · 08/07/2024 10:23

Salemforcuddles · 08/07/2024 10:19

It says everything about Harry that he is " stunned" with the reaction to this nomination

That’s what I thought.

AutumnCrow · 08/07/2024 10:25

Has he blamed it on the British tabloids yet?

DoingTheChaCha · 08/07/2024 11:38

I cannot get my head around why the ‘Sussex Squad’, or whoever these people are with this agenda, are so vociferously ‘supporting’ H&M. Don’t they realise that they don’t give a tinkers toss about them while they’re living their life of unearned privilege and luxury?

Harry is only involved in the IG due to his connection with the RF who he has since totally trashed very publicly and it’s doubtful, as often alleged considering his academic results, that he would have even made it to Afghanistan, let alone as gunner of an Apache, without strings being pulled by the RF! As has been said before ordinary soldiers were put more at risk of him being there, than he was.

Has he achieved anything of his own merit? He couldn’t even bugger off and make it on his own, without yet again using his RF connection to write books and NF documentaries, whining about how hard his life was in the RF and sharing extremely intimate details of his family’s life - Charles’s teddy (!) which again no one would care about if it wasn’t the RF.

I can’t imagine how angry Patrick Tillman’s mother is that he is getting an award in her son’s name when Mr Tillman was the epitome of everything Harry is not. If this IS a paid for award to improve Harry’s visa chances, all who nominated him should hang their heads in shame. If it is for publicity with a high profile celeb getting the award, they’ve massively shot themselves in the foot as it’s only going to be negative as what’s been made available about their finances has now shown.

It just shows his intellect and narcissism that he is ‘stunned’ that people don’t agree with him getting this award.

Makes you wonder if he even bothered to find out who Patrick Tillman was and what the meaning of the award is!

Aerialpigeon · 08/07/2024 13:18

The award is a bit like someone like Wogan (rest his soul) getting an award for children in need. I’m sure he would have directed the praise towards the unsung people doing the hard yards to make a difference and not himself. There are so many people working hard for the good of others, in unglamorous roles, alongside personal adversity and full time jobs to support their families. The cynic in me suggests that they wanted Harry on the podium for tv exposure/viewing figures, rather than some ordinary person no one has heard of. It shows why the palace are so cautious with PR - where royals can otherwise be flattered and persuaded into appearances that can cause embarrassment. To the casual observer it does just look like a merry go round of elite people giving each other awards which I presume Mrs Tillman really didn’t want the award to be.

I do think some of the comments on the change petition (as well as similar on the food bank donation page around the ARO launch) do verge on bullying though. I guess it’s where the line is drawn between freedom of speech and victimising someone.

pearlfritillary · 08/07/2024 15:23

@Aerialpigeon didn't Terry Wogan get paid for Children in Need presenting - or am I misremembering? Anyway, if this award debacle has taught me anything - it is, in future, to check out the charities I donate to. I'm happy with my community ones like the hospice and library but I've never thought to check the fund distibution by the national ones like Cancer Research; BHF; Comic Relief; Alzheimers Society and I regularly donate to them.

cheezncrackers · 08/07/2024 17:04

There is an interesting bit in an article today about Harry being 'stunned' at the negative reaction to him being given this award, and that's that his 'people' apparently lobby for him and Meghan to be given all these stupid, meaningless awards, just to keep them in the spotlight. I'm clearly very naive for not realising this before, but it now makes sense why they keep getting all these awards.

PrincessMee · 08/07/2024 17:36

Harry should get an OBE - Other Buggers' efforts.

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Locusteater · 08/07/2024 17:44

PrincessMee · 08/07/2024 17:36

Harry should get an OBE - Other Buggers' efforts.

Brilliant!

Locusteater · 08/07/2024 17:44

cheezncrackers · 08/07/2024 17:04

There is an interesting bit in an article today about Harry being 'stunned' at the negative reaction to him being given this award, and that's that his 'people' apparently lobby for him and Meghan to be given all these stupid, meaningless awards, just to keep them in the spotlight. I'm clearly very naive for not realising this before, but it now makes sense why they keep getting all these awards.

Really, you hadn't realised that was what was behind it?

cheezncrackers · 08/07/2024 18:07

Locusteater · 08/07/2024 17:44

Really, you hadn't realised that was what was behind it?

Nope, although tbf I spend zero time thinking about it!

Vespanest · 08/07/2024 18:08

I do wonder if Harry will give any credit or even mention the UK in the creation of the Invictus games, unfortunately I don’t think he will. The UK government, the MOD the charities that was originally help the heroes and then the British Legion. I know the royal foundation but thats a given he will not mention anything that will praise the royal family.

Thedom · 08/07/2024 18:33

I think Harry is between a rock and a hard place with this one. His credibility, one way or the other, is totally shot, it must be a PR nightmare for his PR team, I imagine there are plenty of emergency meetings going on.

They are treading a very fine line between allowing Harry be seen to dishonour a very revered body of US veterans, in return for a TV channel using the controversy around Harry accepting this award to gain publicity and audience numbers.

While H&M have always dismissed criticism from the U|K as being based on nothing more than racism, this criticism from the US, and US vets in particular, is on a whole different level and not something to mess with, it has opened Harry up to a whole other cohort of critics.

Locusteater · 08/07/2024 19:49

Harry needs to step up and stop being a muppet. He needs to stop allowing other people (his wife and his PR people ) to dictate everything. He’s lost sight of who he is, what he wants and what’s important.

CathyorClaire · 08/07/2024 20:46

There is an interesting bit in an article today about Harry being 'stunned' at the negative reaction to him being given this award

Personally I'd prefer him to be a bit more stunned about the allegations he destroyed important evidence in his vexatious UK court cases than a to and fro about a US gong however undeserved.

Nice deflection, Henry 👏

JudgeJ · 08/07/2024 20:49

PrincessMee · 30/06/2024 08:58

Mary Tillman says " There are recipients far more fitting. He publicly disrespected his family , ran away from service to his country. He is unworthy of this award"

She feels there are recipients far more fitting.

I think she speaks for many.

She's spot on! I wonder who was behind the decision to award him this or rather who put the pressure on for him to get another undeserved award?

JudgeJ · 08/07/2024 20:53

PrincessMee · 08/07/2024 17:36

Harry should get an OBE - Other Buggers' efforts.

He might then get, in order:-

CMG Call Me God

KCMG Kindly Call Me God

GCMG God Calls Me God

Thank you Yes Minister!

caringcarer · 08/07/2024 20:57

CremeFresh · 30/06/2024 09:30

I agree, these awards are far more meaningful if they are given to those that work quietly and with no expectation of being recognised , proper unsung heroes.

This. Really strange how people queue up to award the Sussex pair things.

CathyorClaire · 08/07/2024 20:58

JudgeJ · 08/07/2024 20:53

He might then get, in order:-

CMG Call Me God

KCMG Kindly Call Me God

GCMG God Calls Me God

Thank you Yes Minister!

But where does the back to basics Just Call Me Harry fit?!

Mylovelygreendress · 08/07/2024 22:08

Any update about African Parks ?

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