Porkies, Perfidies & Pomposity - Harry and Meghan thread 2

[YaMuvva]

I do not take credit for the title

First thread here

Shall we continue the discussion? I will not be engaging with the posters spouting damaging and unfounded gossip

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5084429-why-do-harry-and-meghan-tell-porkies-that-are-so-easy-to-prove-wrong?page=1

So even though he’s a big fat racist with “concerns” about his future not yet conceived grandchild’s skin tone he encouraged them to have a baby?

Up until I saw theses excerpts I was going to buy a copy of Spare when I saw it in a charity shop. It is so so badly written that I will not waste my money. It's like a 14 year old has written it, in fact that's an insult to 14 year olds

I never saw that avocado report either, I would have thought she would have had nicer crockery though.

You can have my copy for free if you like. I’ll send some biscuits with it 😂

Thanks for the excerpts @YaMuvva, so much drivel, not exactly riveting. I wonder did any of those who bought the book actually manage to finish it? I imagine a lot of readers read the first chapter or two and then binned it.

So very many contradictions.

So much shite.

Evening, @Thedom . I bought it and finished it. Masochism? A love of fantasy novels?
No, it was just one of the strangest autobiographies I have read. Some of it plodding, some of it weird, some of it comedy gold 👌.
That was some task J. Moehringer took on. I do hope he's recovered.

@YaMuvva have you come across the Diana stuff? That's definitely..... odd.

“didn’t fancy her directness” or rudeness perhaps?

Some of it plodding, some of it weird, some of it comedy gold

From what I’ve been reading here, I’m seeing more of the last one.

It's unbelievably funny in parts, genuinely.
Although he does come across as a really terrible husband and had me feeling quite sorry for Meghan. The way he behaved in the labour suite when Archie was born...if it was me there would have been no second baby....

And he encouraged them to ask for natural aquatic aid!

Thanks for the link, @JADS. I noted this:

When asked whether he knew if the royal family were reading the show's scripts in advance, a confused Aaron responded: "I don’t know how they got 'em. I was aware that they were reading them because I got the feedback, but I don't remember the process by which they got them."

Surely Korsh is only repeating what Meghan told him.

Edit: Apologies, hit post on an unfinished draft from hours ago!

It would just be funny if they didn't tell lies that hurt others. Obviously there's the impact that the royal racist claims have had on Charles and Kate, but also the weirdness around Omid Scobie and the Endgame translation with the name reveals - I felt so sorry for the translator who Omid was happily throwing under the bus. It's hard to believe Harry and Meghan weren't involved, especially after Meghan had to apologise to a court for 'forgetting' they'd been involved with his previous book.

I'm sure the men in grey told M, "You can have Oprah or you can have your niece. You can't have both."

I mean, who's going to tell Oprah she's not invited after all.

I have read parts of Spare and agree that the writing style is cringemaking. Short sentences. So much left unsaid.
In the previous thread someone pointed out the ridiculous description of visiting William and Kate's apartment which was next door and Harry looking around in astonishment at the paintings and furniture. This was his brother's apartment where he told us he so often raided the fridge, yet he writes as if he has never been there. Also all his relatives and most of his friends live in stately homes full of antiques and art works, so he would see it as normal. This part was clearly dictated by Meghan who was jealous that William and Kate live like (wealthy) grownups while Harry had a bean bag, video games and an empty fridge.

I loved Moehringer's previous ghostwritten book on Andre Agassi so I was shocked at how bad Spare was by comparison. I got the impression he tried to make the best of a very unreliable and childish narrator in Harry and had to settle for clunky metaphors and excuses about trauma causing memory problems to try to fill in all the gaps. The New Yorker article Moehringer wrote about the process describes him shouting at Harry to convince him to leave out an "inane" insult he was demanding go into the book.

It's obvious Harry has no friends now, no one to give him advice. Someone should have said to him that the book would destroy his relationship with his family, that he would end up looking foolish and weird with his anecdotes about putting his Mum's favourite moisturiser on his frozen penis.

He's as pathetic a figure as Edward VIII, slowing fading into obscurity, puffed up with his imagined self-importance and obsessed with what might have been.

I bought the audio version of Spare when I was in hospital. I don’t recall half of it, but also don’t particularly want to give it another go.

@StartupRepair You forget that Charles's chef would leave Harry a frig full of prepared meals for him to eat. 😁

The avocado story might not have been front page but nevertheless it was a prominent article in the DM. Proof that in 2019 they were still determinedly trolling Meghan and she hadn’t even left the country yet.

I do remember the Sun paper one day (in 2016) when there was a lovely picture of Kate, and below it a picture of Meghan with the heading ‘Harry’s girl on pornhub’ They were in fact images from suits - and obviously not pornography - but that didn’t stop The Sun from printing.

Good woman vs bad woman.

Kate looking lovely and demure & directly below that Meghan being thoroughly slut shamed. That is not Kate’s fault obviously and want to make my thoughts on that clear.

The New Yorker article Moehringer wrote about the process describes him shouting at Harry to convince him to leave out an "inane" insult he was demanding go into the book
It's obvious Harry has no friends now, no one to give him advice. Someone should have said to him that the book would destroy his relationship with his family, that he would end up looking foolish and weird with his anecdotes about putting his Mum's favourite moisturiser on his frozen penis.
He's as pathetic a figure as Edward VIII, slowing fading into obscurity, puffed up with his imagined self-importance and obsessed with what might have been.

I've never read Spare - I was determined not to put any money in H's pocket, but also, I thought I'd end up throwing the book across the room! Just listening to Harry blathering on with his shallow psychobabble on TV or in press interviews is enough to make me run for the hills. But I've read plenty of excerpts online, and on MN, and it hasn't changed my opinion. I agree that the ghost writer must have really earned his fee, dealing with H.

To anyone STILL whining 'Why are you so interested in people you don't know?', good grief - if you're at all interested in history, people, psychology etc then H & M really are the gift that keeps on giving. And the parallels with the D and Dss of Windsor are interesting: 2 people who've sold us a fairytale love story and now feel they have to keep up the pretence - at least for a few more years; the clever (or at least, crafty) woman who's stuck with a dim and annoying man, and the rather pathetic situation of a former royal in exile, desperately trying to cling to his former status without the PR help (and money) he once took for granted.

I can't read badly-written books - I just can't. I can't focus on what's being said because the way it's being said obtrudes all the time. From what other posters have said upthread, I just know this is what Spare would be like (those short, jerky non-sentences etc). Aaaarrrgghhh! But I don't blame Moehringer - it must have been a very trying commission.

Incidentally, there's a really good YouTube talk by Dr Raj Persaud about why H's therapy isn't helping. Persaud believes it's largely because his therapists are afraid to be honest or rigorous with Harry - partly out of deference and partly (of course!) out of a wish to keep him in therapy. And I suspect any professional psychologist who asked H the difficult, probing questions, or suggested that he might need to take some responsibility for his own situation wouldn't last very long.

You forget that Charles's chef would leave Harry a frig full of prepared meals for him to eat. 😁

I remember that bit from the book too. When Harry and William were living together, Charles’ chef did indeed stock them fridge with ready made meals for them to eat (delicious I bet). Both were/are v privileged. My guess is they weren’t paying the rent either. Or paying for their clothes. Or utility bills. Wouldn’t have had to buy their iwn transport.

Well that is a new peenge at least…

That's so weird and creepy.

It's also bizarre that he managed to fall asleep in the two minutes it must have taken her to pee on the stick in the bathroom and come back out. That's preposterous. And then what, she just chilled out beside him while he slept and waited patiently for him to wake up? Sheet nonsense.