Porkies, Perfidies & Pomposity - Harry and Meghan thread 2

[YaMuvva]

I do not take credit for the title

First thread here

Shall we continue the discussion? I will not be engaging with the posters spouting damaging and unfounded gossip

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5084429-why-do-harry-and-meghan-tell-porkies-that-are-so-easy-to-prove-wrong?page=1

I didn’t know they lied about her having the baby and saying she was in labour when she’d already given birth.

My snap theory: they were NEVER gonna get the turn out or interest for the baby’s birth that William’s kids did. I believe the ‘Shes in labour’ announcement happens so press can set up camp and block out time to ensure their photographers and journalists are nearby for the birth announcement. I wonder if they wanted the same camping out so they got lots of press standing by. It does seem the envy of what William has runs very deep and every event is an opportunity to rival his brother.

Archie's birth was such a big deal. If you think about George, a future King, yes they were all camped out, but baby out, pictures on steps. Off they go. Archie. No-one knows what's going g on. Harry gives speech. Video next day. Picture with the Queen. You'd have sworn he was the heir. George didn't even get that. It was the biggest thing ever.

If you look at the history of the British Royal Family, there’s a consistent pattern of envy from the second born to the heir. Some have even murdered their brother to take the crown! Harry is a modern day example and the cosplaying of being an heir is disturbing. Remember when he said very publicly “Nobody wants the job”. I thought it was very wrong of someone so unlikely to ‘get the job’ to speak for other people. His envy of William is palpable and the fact is even they’d stayed in the U.K. their kids would pale into obscurity before long, when the Wales children have their own kids especially. I mean if you surveyed the general public how many people do you think would know who the Earl of Snowdon and Lady Chatto are?

I think quite a lot of people would know who Lady Sarah is. She was something of a hit in the programme for the Queen's 90. But no. And they would be all the better for it. Be able to determine their own lives. The titles are total nonsense. Stateless European royalty from post WWI. God love them.

Archie was born 6th in line to the throne, now 5th.
David Armstrong-Jones, was born 5th in line, now 25th.
Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester was born 5th in line, now 30+.
Princess Alexandra of Kent was born 6th in line.
George Lascelles, 7th Earl of Harewood was born 6th in line.

(The last 3 are cousins to each other and the late Queen, all grandchildren of George V)

The Kent’s and Gloucester’s are still seen representing the crown due to their close relationship with the late Queen and now Charles. They are close family, but it only takes a generation to become constitutionally irrelevant.

I recall reading something about it all to be either timing it to morning in California? What is said about it all in Scare?

Where is Ridemeginger these days? 😂

I was Team M&H too up until the leaving .... they could have stayed and made it work :(

I wouldn’t be surprised if there had been some argy-bargy behind the scenes about selling the first picture - no freebie on the hospital steps. Obviously the Palace would have stopped this so M&H countered with refusing to do any picture at all.

I really don’t see how it could have worked, even the fact of being team M&H show the divisiveness of their presence. It would be entertaining and not in a pleasant way to watch but something would’ve eventually had to give.

When I had my babies, I thought they were the most beautiful, amazing, important babies who had ever been born (still do, actually).
I think I would have liked a private hair and makeup artist to make me look great and then been surrounded by hordes of photographers desperate to see them so i could show them off. So i think if I was Royal this would be the one time I'd be happy to do the photoshoot.

BUT, I remember when Kate and William left the hospital with George they answered a lot of questions from the press and did a dmall walkabouts. I remember William saying to her 'can you come over here please poppet' (which was both aah and eurgh) because the set of press he was talking to wanted her. I expect she put her foot down after that because they never did questions again, it was a minute of photos and then off.

A lot of Meghan's stories have a "ripped from the headlines" quality about them. I don't believe she was experiencing racist abuse and hordes of paparazzi when her relationship with Harry became public. There's no evidence that happened. She was essentially unknown when they started dating, where was all this racist abuse coming from? If she was being harassed by the paparazzi, where are the pictures and footage of that? There's plenty of Diana and Catherine being stalked down the streets by photographers. I think it fired up Harry to make their relationship official, though, and that was the point.

The multiple stories about strangers approaching her - on planes, at the theatre - to praise her for her sacrifices. The story about her sobbing at the Royal Albert Hall when no one could see. The "fire" in Archie's room in South Africa. All so dramatic and self-aggrandising.

None of it rings true but it seems to keep Harry in a state of permanent fear that he's going to lose her.

I agree that’s the main objective.

Once the labour government are in ,Harry and Meghan will be coming back
i particularly remember Harry refusing to shake Boris s hand ( not that I would want to )
I think they will leverage support from certain female mainly labour politicians and come home “a royalling “ - half in half out
job done 👍

That is why they are prepping the ground with the U.K. PR hire - they can see a labour government will be a more welcoming environment

I doubt they'll come back because of a Labour government, they're hardly socialists

Nine private visits with veterans, helping with their mental health? Zero points. Flying via helicopter to cut a ribbon at a horse farm? Winner!

Was that last bit a sly dig at Princess Anne? Versus the oh-so-worthy, unrecorded events attended by Harry. Who’s to say that other Royals didn’t also make unrecorded worthy visits? Would Harry know about those?

Everything he says seems designed to convey the message that the RF is a grand puppet master behind everything done to do him and his wife down - they leak to the media, they manipulate the court circular to make themselves look good...imagine being a member of his family and realising that all this bitterness and bile has been festering in someone you knew. No wonder they're keeping utterly silent.

And I wonder who did the visits with veterans that got left out? would that be the ginger whinger, by any chance?

Can't see Meghan coming back.

Last time she was here she spent her visit holed up at Heathrow.

They don’t need to believe in a cause - just tag on it if it suits their agenda

plus - any taxes etc don’t apply to them ( in their minds )

Verr near choked myself then

People have said it on here before - long term weed use can lead to paranoia.

She totally lied in the Netflix documentary about the lack of police protection from the Toronto police, there is a video out there of one of her neighbours being interviewed on a local tv channel at the time about if he had met her or not, and in part of that interview he said he allowed the police to park in his driveway and she sent him some chocolates as a thank you. He did say the paparazzi could be a bit of a pain, and I am sure there were a few hanging out there, however considering how H&M videoed and photographed their every move from the moment they got together and subsequently released it via Netflix, it is more than surprising they did not have any footage of said pap activity outside her house in Toronto.

I guess she expected tax funded security because she was 'dating Harry', but lying about it not happening because it clearly wasn't a big enough presence to make her look important.

I always wondered why in none of the interviews with Harry after Spares release anyone asked where all these photos of Meghan were? You know, the ones where she was pursued round Whole Foods and everyone at the checkouts had their phones out filming her, and she was so upset he found her on the floor crying (after still cooking lunch).

Edit: and all the pap photos from her in Toronto where her house and film set were surrounded? There are the images from her coming out the flower shop, and a yoga studio, but none outside her home or at set locations. When you look back its a bare handful of images over several months.

If the public had all these photos why didn't they end up on SM? I know the press here wouldn't have touched them, but US and Euro press would, and they would have certainly ended up on TwiX, Snapchat and IG.

And I don't think a Labour Govt will make a jot of difference in H&M returning. They certainly won't be more reverential to them.

Their problem is, I think, that what they mean by “security” is often not just keeping them safe, but keeping any unwanted attention away from them. So if the security are not chasing the paps away at all times, they feel like their security is compromised. The paps are of courses “a pain” as that man in Canada put it, but as long as they are not behaving unlawfully, then they can’t be chased away. They seem to always conflate their safety with unwanted press attention and being unable to control the narrative. The paps in themselves do not make the Sussexes unsafe, but they are unwilling to acknowledge this

I think it is a normal celebrity thing to talk up press interest in you, people trying to take your photo, people coming up to you to say how great you are etc, to increase your profile. They are probably encouraged to it by their agents. I think Meghan has been trained to spin her interactions with the public that way. But this doesn't work within the the royal family as they just don't do that.

I was listening to a radio programme just a week or so back. It was Michael Palin talking about his life and choosing records. He chose a Johnny Cash song and said "Can I tell you my Johnny Cash story? I really want to tell you my Johnny Cash story!" - so a bit of a build up there. He told the story - he was on the same show as Johnny Cash. Cash came up to him, shook his hand and said: "John Cash. I love your work." That was it. That was the Johnny Cash story. Michael Palin's anecdote about Johnny Cash is that Johnny Cash loved Michael Palin's work. And this was from National Treasure and all round nice guy Michael Palin. Michael Palin! Can you even imagine what the rest of them are like?

I agree with you, @smilesy . A lot of it comes from their expectations, unrealistic, of only positive press coverage. So anything negative has to be shut down, or explained as racism.
They're both very thin skinned but pursue this celebrity lifestyle. If you want the headlines and clicks, which they do, unfortunately it'll come with some negativity.