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Harry’s litigation

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smilesy · 21/05/2024 14:15

Harry has been mostly denied permission to increase the scope of his case against NGN. The judge has, quite rightly, allowed him to include new allegations of phone tapping and other accusations against private investigators and journalists. What he has not allowed is Harry to extend the timeline to include allegations around Diana or Meghan when she was his girlfriend. The judge also made disparaging remarks about Harry’s lawyers adding more and more detail, and going for “trophy targets”

Is Harry losing sight of what legal action should be for and becoming vexatious?

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CathyorClaire · 04/10/2024 21:14

So basically judge is saying Harold's a vexatious litigant.

I hope the awarded costs reflect it.

IcedPurple · 04/10/2024 21:29

As I recall, most if not all of both Meghan and Harry's many legal cases have earned them reprimands from the judges. Harry in particular seems to think of the legal system as a venue to air petty grievances. Kind of makes you think how awful they must be to work with.

smilesy · 04/10/2024 21:46

IcedPurple · 04/10/2024 21:29

As I recall, most if not all of both Meghan and Harry's many legal cases have earned them reprimands from the judges. Harry in particular seems to think of the legal system as a venue to air petty grievances. Kind of makes you think how awful they must be to work with.

It also seems that they both have scant regard for the fact that the law requires them to produce actual evidence for their claims and not just rely on what they say happened, or forget that it is a legal requirement to tell the truth in court

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notimagain · 04/10/2024 22:14

For info the Blackbelt Barrister's video on the subject

Vespanest · 06/10/2024 06:59

The judge seems to be giving Harry a serious warning. If Harry's damage is converted into a value determined by money and The Sun are willing to pay without admitting liability then there is no dispute to settle, just the want to have this heard by a judge. I would like nothing more than The Sun punished but this isn't a criminal case, no changes will happen as it's historical. Hugh Grant was given the advice to settle or potentially lose costs for good reasons. The UK civil courts are not there to air grievances but to settle disputes and anyone who has used them knows there is a high risk, even if you are right and even if you win you can still lose on without prejudice save as to costs if the judge feels that the dispute could have been settled. The judge appears to be showing his leaning in this and in fairness to both parties as he is also warning The Sun about their tactics of beating the opposition by outspending which I actually think is the most serious matter and swayed the balance of civil legal recourse to a rich peoples privilege.

sleepwouldbenice · 22/01/2025 21:03

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Well, duh! A lot of us have been interested in Harry’s ongoing and various litigations for a long time. So of course the same people are on the other thread. Most of us are up front about it and don’t name change. And we will carry on following what happens with his other claims involving RAVEC and the Mirror. Not bias, just fascination with the car crash that is Harry’s obsession with going to court. But thanks for bumping my thread. I’d forgotten all about it 😊

typo

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sleepwouldbenice · 22/01/2025 22:58

Fascination = obsession
How ironic

smilesy · 23/01/2025 07:38

sleepwouldbenice · 22/01/2025 22:58

Fascination = obsession
How ironic

Ooh. Maths not your strong point? You actually rooted around and found a zombie thread that has some of the long term posters on it to try and say what? That some people like to chat about a subject they are interested in? When it is topical? You will note that this thread is old because the litigation theme had dropped off the news. Now it is back, there is another thread 🤷‍♀️

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sleepwouldbenice · 23/01/2025 10:34

smilesy · 23/01/2025 07:38

Ooh. Maths not your strong point? You actually rooted around and found a zombie thread that has some of the long term posters on it to try and say what? That some people like to chat about a subject they are interested in? When it is topical? You will note that this thread is old because the litigation theme had dropped off the news. Now it is back, there is another thread 🤷‍♀️

Degree in it actually !

No I googled to see if there was another thread which was more balanced. Not difficult to understand, for most

Your obsession is quite clear over all these threads. Yet you accuse him of obsession. Irony is clear. Enjoy your rants!

Atlasvue · 23/01/2025 10:51

sleepwouldbenice · 23/01/2025 10:34

Degree in it actually !

No I googled to see if there was another thread which was more balanced. Not difficult to understand, for most

Your obsession is quite clear over all these threads. Yet you accuse him of obsession. Irony is clear. Enjoy your rants!

You googled for more threads and you’re calling the OP obsessed? Wild

RoseAndRose · 23/01/2025 11:14

Back to the point of the thread: Harry has two court cases still remaining

RAVEC JR appeal - when is this expected?
Case (with others) against the Daily Mail - set for early 2026

There aren't any others, are there?

smilesy · 23/01/2025 11:19

sleepwouldbenice · 23/01/2025 10:34

Degree in it actually !

No I googled to see if there was another thread which was more balanced. Not difficult to understand, for most

Your obsession is quite clear over all these threads. Yet you accuse him of obsession. Irony is clear. Enjoy your rants!

Bye! Not sure why you commented but hey, whatever

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smilesy · 23/01/2025 11:23

RoseAndRose · 23/01/2025 11:14

Back to the point of the thread: Harry has two court cases still remaining

RAVEC JR appeal - when is this expected?
Case (with others) against the Daily Mail - set for early 2026

There aren't any others, are there?

No, I believe that’s it at this current time. The main reason for these threads, contrary to what some would have us believe, is the interest in why Harry wants to involve himself in all these court cases and what he is trying to achieve. He seems to think he is in some great crusade against injustice, when all he will achieve is either a monetary gain against the press (which is always a bonus), or , in the case of RAVEC, cause them to have to re examine the decision they came to over security and in all probability tech the same one again. He can change absolutely nothing. But there are many who do not understand this, or do not want to understand

eta sorry you asked about the timeline and I have to admit I’ve lost the plot with that. Oll
find out

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smilesy · 23/01/2025 12:45

From what I can see, the RAVEC case is scheduled for autumn this year, and the DM case not until next year! This could run and run…..

typo

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IcedPurple · 23/01/2025 12:58

smilesy · 23/01/2025 12:45

From what I can see, the RAVEC case is scheduled for autumn this year, and the DM case not until next year! This could run and run…..

typo

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Ravec not until autumn?

All this to be told, if he's very lucky, that Ravec will review his case and almost certainly come to the same conclusion all over again?

The judge made clear in his statement that Harry's case only barely met the standards for appeal. so I doubt he'll even get that far. I suspect his review will be rejected again. So much time, effort and money, for nothing.

I do hope the HO ensure that he repays the costs of this farce in full, as this is taxpayers' money he's playing around with for his legal hissy fit.

smilesy · 23/01/2025 13:09

IcedPurple · 23/01/2025 12:58

Ravec not until autumn?

All this to be told, if he's very lucky, that Ravec will review his case and almost certainly come to the same conclusion all over again?

The judge made clear in his statement that Harry's case only barely met the standards for appeal. so I doubt he'll even get that far. I suspect his review will be rejected again. So much time, effort and money, for nothing.

I do hope the HO ensure that he repays the costs of this farce in full, as this is taxpayers' money he's playing around with for his legal hissy fit.

Yes, a search only came up with “autumn 2025” as a date for the RAVEC appeal. And as you say, all this just for RAVEC to decide the same thing. This is what many people seem not to grasp. They seem to think his “crusade” includes forcing RAVEC to grant him full security. When in fact he can achieve nothing if the sort. All seems pretty pointless really 🤷‍♀️

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IcedPurple · 23/01/2025 13:18

smilesy · 23/01/2025 13:09

Yes, a search only came up with “autumn 2025” as a date for the RAVEC appeal. And as you say, all this just for RAVEC to decide the same thing. This is what many people seem not to grasp. They seem to think his “crusade” includes forcing RAVEC to grant him full security. When in fact he can achieve nothing if the sort. All seems pretty pointless really 🤷‍♀️

Completely pointless.

It's obvious that Harry's current security arrangements are more than fair and reasonable. He has no official role. He doesn't live in Britain. The idea that highly trained, in demand special officers would be hanging around on the off chance that the Duke decides to pay a visit is ridiculous. Yes, he's the King's son, so he's not just anybody, and that has been acknowledged by the fact that his security needs are under continual review and he will be provided whatever protection is deemed necessary in the threat assessments. More than generous.

I really do think this whole farce is about ego and wanting what his brother has, far more than it is about 'security'.

ProjectFailed · 23/01/2025 13:32

I thought the RAVEC hearing was scheduled for 8/9 April?

Serenster · 23/01/2025 13:39

ProjectFailed · 23/01/2025 13:32

I thought the RAVEC hearing was scheduled for 8/9 April?

That is what has been reported, yes. The Court of Appeal online listings don’t show that far ahead however.

I wouldn’t expect Harry will attend that hearing in person though. Appeal hearings are focussed pretty much entirely on legal arguments and there is almost never new evidence introduced.

Court of Appeal proceedings are usually live-streamed on YouTube , but I guess because of the security implications of this hearing it will be closed to the public. Boo…

smilesy · 23/01/2025 13:41

Serenster · 23/01/2025 13:39

That is what has been reported, yes. The Court of Appeal online listings don’t show that far ahead however.

I wouldn’t expect Harry will attend that hearing in person though. Appeal hearings are focussed pretty much entirely on legal arguments and there is almost never new evidence introduced.

Court of Appeal proceedings are usually live-streamed on YouTube , but I guess because of the security implications of this hearing it will be closed to the public. Boo…

Ooh. I couldn’t find it but April would make
sense. I wonder if he will turn up or at least bother to get out of bed for this one 😆

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BasiliskStare · 23/01/2025 16:53

Harry is worse than Linda Evangelista for how much money he will get out of bed for - even allowing for inflation 😀

MrsFinkelstein · 23/01/2025 17:20

IcedPurple · 23/01/2025 12:58

Ravec not until autumn?

All this to be told, if he's very lucky, that Ravec will review his case and almost certainly come to the same conclusion all over again?

The judge made clear in his statement that Harry's case only barely met the standards for appeal. so I doubt he'll even get that far. I suspect his review will be rejected again. So much time, effort and money, for nothing.

I do hope the HO ensure that he repays the costs of this farce in full, as this is taxpayers' money he's playing around with for his legal hissy fit.

Well with this mega settlement he's just been awarded they know he's good for paying up.

IcedPurple · 23/01/2025 21:54

MrsFinkelstein · 23/01/2025 17:20

Well with this mega settlement he's just been awarded they know he's good for paying up.

Not that my inexpert opinion has any weight, but I'm actually not convinced his settlement was all that mega.

Sloejelly · 23/01/2025 22:26

IcedPurple · 23/01/2025 21:54

Not that my inexpert opinion has any weight, but I'm actually not convinced his settlement was all that mega.

I suspect it may have paid his costs.