Harry’s litigation

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Harry has been mostly denied permission to increase the scope of his case against NGN. The judge has, quite rightly, allowed him to include new allegations of phone tapping and other accusations against private investigators and journalists. What he has not allowed is Harry to extend the timeline to include allegations around Diana or Meghan when she was his girlfriend. The judge also made disparaging remarks about Harry’s lawyers adding more and more detail, and going for “trophy targets”

Is Harry losing sight of what legal action should be for and becoming vexatious?

Victoria really was a nightmare mother and mother in law!

She was a nightmare generally. The whole country wearing black for years, shutting herself away and having relationships with staff 😂

And we wonder why today's bunch have a few oddballs!

I bought a book about QV from the palace shop, which described her as a loving mother. In reality if her children had come on here and described what sort of mother she really was they'd have been advised that she was a toxic narc and to go NC for their own good and sanity.

It would have been interesting to see what her diaries were like before they were edited by Princess Beatrice after her death.

I bet there was quite a bit of nastiness and controversial opinion in her handwriting!

From the bits that escaped Beatrice's censorship, she didn't hold back with her opinions about how she hated babies, the trouble her children caused her, their bad behaviour, their appearance...and frequently those were expressed to their faces. Lord alone knows what she said in the entries we lost.

yes, can only imagine what was edited out if that’s what made the cut!

Would have been so interesting, historically, to see all of what she said about the politics of the day, her family spreading into Europe (and beyond), Abdul Karim and John Brown

Beatrice took out quite a lot of the saucy stuff. Victoria was quite a passionate woman.

AN Wilson has written a very good biography of Albert and he reckons the generally accepted view of their's as an idyllic marriage is somewhat off the mark.

Just a personal opinion but I think a lot of the issues with the Royal Family stem from Victoria and Albert's unresolved childhood trauma and how this played out with parenting their children, Edward VII in particular. I know the Hanoverians had issues before that but Victoria only very rarely saw them growing up.

I have AN Wilson's Prince Albert biography on my 'to read' list. I must dig it out and actually read it some time.

She died more than 120 years ago. I think personal responsibility is more important than how your great great whatever grandma behaved.

Why place this at the door of Victoria and Albert and not Phillip? He hardly had an uncomplicated children hood.

Too true. Poor Philip. That was some upbringing.

Philip had buried his childhood and adolescence so completely that it was clear that the pain and trauma was something that he just could not deal with - and he bit the head off anyone who even mentioned it, even into old age.

Philip had far far more trauma in his life than Harry had. Yet never had an ounce of self pity and tried to do good for others.

Sorry to interrupt but...anyone else think 36,000 emails - an average of some 50 a day over the two years in question - is quite a lot bearing in mind one party had flounced with the allegedly malign influence of what must have been grey recipients palace officials cited as a factor?

Generational trauma and personal responsibility both play a role in determining how your life turns out.

Philip had a lot of crap to deal with - I will never understand how his father just left him with random relatives when he was perfectly capable of taking care of him himself.

I reckon he used trauma as fuel. He was an incredibly accomplished and curious man.

As well as being very handsome

People just deal with things, or don’t deal with them, so differently.

My siblings and I are an excellent example of that. Similar childhood neglect and abuse - very very very different ways of coping and very different efforts put into building a decent life despite the start. Four very different outcomes.

Harry reminds me a bit of one of my brothers in that respect.

Philip's father was apparently a bit of a playboy and lived a slightly rootless life in the S of France. From what I've read of him I couldn't see him parenting a young boy successfully.

It’s 36,000 emails in total. So that includes a lot of irrelevant ones and ones to his publisher. I can imagine there might have been a fair few of those. I don’t think it is suggested that they were emails to the palace, although there may have been some of course

Yet the judge has ordered Harold's team to write to senior courtiers asking for the submission of communications with him.

There's also the matter of 'a large group of documents' given to Harold by the royal household in 2020.

https://archive.ph/ZYQbU#selection-3563.0-3563.242

Just seems odd to me that all this communication was apparently going on in the background when the public were given the impression relations had irrevocably broken down.

Communication with the palace doesn’t necessarily mean that it forms a large part of the emails though. And documents from 2020 would not be unreasonable either given that they only left in 2020. Communication had not broken down at that point one would think and also there was presumably a fair amount of stuff to do with them actually leaving that could be contained in documents. I don’t know, I just don’t think it is particularly suspicious 🤷‍♀️

Men didn't parent in those days. Upper class women barely parented.

My mum was really impressed that my dad agreed to be seen with her while pregnant and would also push a pram - and that was in the 1950s, not the 1920s