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When she first joined the RF, the late Queen gave Meghan the National Theatre patronage, obviously thinking that it would interest her, and would be something to develop. However, I agree that she obviously has no interest in the arts or culture. She and Harry seem very shallow.

I get the impression that, while she's undoubtedly intelligent (more so than her husband), I don't think she's in any sense an intellectual, or has intellectual curiousity about anything. This is at the root of her shocking ignorance of other countries and cultures, both regarding the UK and its traditions, and those of say, Nigeria. I think it's a kind of American arrogance (not saying all Americans are like that, of course!!) but having listened to Meghan and watched her in action over the years, her ignorance about cultural issues astounds me. I don't think she has any interest in the history or culture of the UK (in fact, she has demonstrated contempt for it) but I don't get the impression she is much more culturally aware in her own land. Has she ever shown any interest in art, music, literature? Not that I can recall.

I disagree with your claim that she is "undoubtedly intelligent". I've seen no evidence of this at all. Obviously she managed to get a degree in a good university, and she's not as dim as her husband, but that's setting the bar pretty low. "Intelligent" is not a word I would use to describe Meghan.

I agree with the rest of your post however. She seems incredibly shallow and self absorbed to me. Which is in sharp contrast to how her fans think of her. Remember how they always said she was just too intelligent and politically aware to be 'silenced' by royal protocol? The imagined contrast with 'Stepford Wife' Kate was always included too. All that stuff about being a little mermaid 'losing my voice'. What she really meant was that she didn't get to answer back to every silly tabloid story about avocados and bath tubs. Certainly she never had any intention to use her 'voice' for more profound issues, because she has no interest or awareness of any of those. You only have to look at her vapid blog 'The Tig', to see that.

DelectableMe · Today 11:08

Wow - imagine turning down that!!! My God! What a charlatan she is.

I heard her gushing about her role in Suits as if it were Ibsen once. She really has no clue, does she? But this is why I feel so resentful about Meghan - to me she just shouts 'go-getting, pushy fake'.

Diana, bless her, was not intellectually blessed but she loved ballet and music. It's not about being clever - it's about being sensitive, curious and responsive to art/history/etc etc.

Sarah Ferguson is pretty awful too.

Sarah Ferguson has never, ever publicly slagged off or lied about the RF.

I read that Harry was to have inherited Highgrove from Charles.

Highgrove belongs to the Duchy of Cornwall. Charles has always rented it from the Duchy. Technically it belongs to William now.

I wouldn't have trusted Harry to continue to run it as Charles has. He doesn't have the expertise or the interest. I should think more likely it would revert to the Duchy, which would continue to manage it in line with Charles's principles

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · Today 11:05
But I don't believe that most people who are critical of her are antagonistic on the grounds of race. I judge her by her own words and actions (or lack of them sometimes). At the time of her wedding I was thrilled (as were the RF, I'm sure) at the chance for a great new chapter in UK history/culture

Right back at the start of the Sussexes kicking off, when the racism directed to MM was a very hot topic on here, I can recall one poster saying right out that for them MM's race was the very least of the problems some people had with her and her behaviour. Had we not been told she was biracial I'd have assumed she was of Spanish/Italian/Mediterranean descent and thought no more about it.

Racism, of course, was a very useful stick with which to beat those uptight Brits who didn't immediately fall in uncritically in love with the RF's latest recruit.

Definitely. It's and easy, lazy jibe for those who really have no arguments or answers to the very real problems the Sussexes have caused for the RF and for the UK on the world stage. And, because the drama of their departure coincided with the BLM movement in the US, Meghan and Harry were slyly able to ride that wave to their own advantage. Ugh - so much I could say on this, but it's mostly been said before.

Like you, I had no awareness of her racial heritage when I first became aware of Meghan and my dislike of her is utterly unconnected with that.

Like you, I had no awareness of her racial heritage when I first became aware of Meghan and my dislike of her is utterly unconnected with that.

I didn't know she was biracial either until I read it somewhere.

I supported them for a long time after they were being widely criticised. It was when she made the South Africa trip all about her I began to think differently, and 'we will collaborate with the Queen' was the final nail. And that was H as much as M. But even then, if they'd just gone and lived their lives quietly somewhere, I'd have wished them well. But the way they've behaved since they left has been unforgivable, in my opinion.

It is undeniable she experienced some racism and/or xenophobia,, but when you read the above article linked by Serenster and then remember that several years later she stated her first experience of being treated as a woman of colour was when she came to the UK, it totally contradicts what she had said she experienced in 2012 on Suits and that was an American audience

Yes I'd noticed, but is anyone even remotely surprised?

I'd have thought it obvious by now that H&M spout whatever suits their current story regardless of its accuracy or evidence to the contrary, relying on a diminishing "squad" of supporters to fling dirt in a hopeless attempt to cover up

It doesn't work and even if it did it doesn't seem to me much of a way to live, but that's their choice and their consequences to face

That article about Suits is illuminating. Gosh, her stories change all the time but she always seems to get away with it!

I agree about the “celebrity” personality. Any intellectual curiosity let alone expertise is considered of no value by so many now. Veering off topic, Lionel Shriver has written a book set in near future in which it is illegal to discriminate on grounds of intellect or educational accomplishment. The very near future I fear looking at what has happened with medical students from US and Boeing.

Most, if not all, accept that she suffered racism. From the tiniest pokes to the outright despicable words or actions - the lot is abhorrent.

It Isn’t why both her and H are widely disliked though. Last time I looked, he wasn’t brown. Their actions made folk dislike them.

Also, last time I looked, being brown doesn’t stop you being an arse.

I confess it hasn’t stopped me.

The thing is, there are different levels of being an arse. There is being a chippy gobshite arse (guilty as charged) and there are being people who lie, watch people spread lies in their name despite being very vocal about the hurt they themselves suffered, deliberately hurt those they purport to love and insult those they don’t love, like or even know.

If you make the world revolve around you, then fine.

But to hurt, disrespect, seemingly act out of spite or be hypocritical? Not so fine.

If I thought they genuinely cared about what happened to others, I might change my opinion a tiny bit. But it is all about how they appear. How it is them against the world even though the world was very much for them at the beginning. How they matter.

And sadly, two privileged people waving their victim cards don’t matter to me.

I agree that they seem to have very little in substance and it’s all (more than a wee bit) self serving.
Perfect example, them claiming to have so much love for Africa, it’s all word salad. Nothing about African Parks still and Meghan visiting Nigeria and flouncing round in what we can now consider unequivocally as inappropriate outfits.

What I mainly have a problem with is how some people are used and are disposable to them. (Meghan especially). Then some people are kept close. (Markus Anderson and Misan Harriman) Maybe depending on if they are still useful. We know that Markus and Misan are still proving useful. There are links between Meghan, Misan and Boris Becker from before Harry and before Misan was a photographer. (A whole other story!) Boris Becker introduced Meghan to an agent who got her the World Vision visit and other philanthropic projects to work with. She terminated the contract with this agent just before the announcement was made that she and Harry were a couple, saying that she was giving up her career. She had at least some of it planned out, that’s for sure.
I also am intrigued as to why many people stay so loyal to her even when she has ghosted them. Everything feels very transactional.

Maybe she's doing a Sarah Ferguson and selling proximity to a royal person!!!

That woman is shameless.

Indeed!

I want to know why they haven't spoken out against the SS, or at least have a word in private to tell them to rein it in. There have been some truly vile posts from them. No one with any compassion , decency or moral compass would want to be remotely linked to them.

Maybe depending on if they are still useful.

This is how I feel about it.

I do think as you age, you embrace the wisdom of not having people in your life who don’t bring you joy.

And if that is the case, then I get it. It just doesn’t seem anything other than transactional though. To the point of utter ruthlessness.

I do admire those who have kept their mouths shut. I’m not sure it is loyalty. More a case of not stooping to their level.

Or maybe actually just being happy enough in their own skins not to want to dwell on any unhappiness caused by those who no longer matter.

Racism, of course, was a very useful stick with which to beat those uptight Brits who didn't immediately fall in uncritically in love with the RF's latest recruit. @MrsDanversGlidesAgain exactly. 👍

and also a stick to beat those who slowly fell out of love with her when the real authentic her began to emerge.

I once saw a retort on a discussion about M, 'the 100,000+ British racists who lined the streets of Windsor to cheer them on and celebrate their wedding day along with the hundreds of thousands of racists throughout the UK who held garden parties to celebrate H marrying M'.

I think that was the crux of it, she was very much welcomed, however some agitators need to ignore the reality of how she was received by the majority of the British public and to perpetuate their own agenda of the UK and RF being racist. H&M jumped on the Sussex Squad bandwagon to extend that narrative to Hs' own immediate family.

Good points @ArcaneWireless maybe she just has a very good judge of character.
Although I wonder if Millie Mackintosh has kept quiet so that she is still welcomed at Soho House?! 😆

I totally agree with this.

Diana, bless her, was not intellectually blessed but she loved ballet and music. It's not about being clever - it's about being sensitive, curious and responsive to art/history/etc etc

Diana was genuinely interested in ballet and music and I think aware of where she might have been lacking intellectually, hence doing the best to remedy that. Her gift was to realise that while people don't expect the RF to know the nuts and bolts of their craft, what they do appreciate is genuine interest and bothering to find out and engage. And she was very, very good at that.

She was also deeply respectful of HM. She'd never, even at the height of the war of the Waleses, made a snarky comment like 'service is universal.'

I think Highgrove will go to George .

Will Highgrove not go to William?

😂at Meghan "discussing Suits like it was Ibsen" - I saw some of it and it definitely was not. 😂

I dislike H&M because I judge them purely on their actions. If they had said they didn't want to be working royals and had quietly fucked off to Canada or the US or anywhere really, most people would understand that and wouldn't have an issue. But they didn't, as we all know.

Not only are they arrogant beyond belief (saying "we can all live a life of service" to HM the Queen was unbelievable), they've demonstrably lied about all sorts of ridiculous checkable things, like being married the day before the actual wedding so the Archbishop of Canterbury had to provide a rebuttal.

Harry then insulted and criticised his entire family in print and on television, and now many of them clearly don't want to see him and who can blame them?

He's sued the government because he thinks he's entitled to protection in the UK yet is prepared to go to Nigeria. Meghan cooperated with Scobie and lied about it then "remembered" that she had worked with him on the book and apologised to the court. And biggest lie of all, Meghan said she didn't know anything about Harry. Yet had the video of the wedding of his parents in her room as a child (according to Tom Bower's book). Of course she knew, how did he fall for that? Not very bright is the only conclusion I can come to.

It will be interesting to see what happens next. The RF have stayed quiet and so have come off as not dignifying it all with a response, which I think was the right call. They have enough rope and they're hanging themselves.

The RF have stayed quiet and so have come off as not dignifying it all with a response, which I think was the right call. They have enough rope and they're hanging themselves

Damned smart in my opinion. RF knows whatever they say will be miscontrued by someone, so say nothing. Silence cannot be argued with, misinterpreted or misunderstood. It's a very powerful tactic.

and this clapback when they were told they couldn't use Sussex Royal for their commercial endeavours.

While there is not any jurisdiction by The Monarchy or Cabinet Office over the use of the word ‘Royal’ overseas,

This was a major turning point. Who talks back like this to their grandmother even privately?