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My GM could be obnoxious and she didn't much care for me; but I held my tongue when she started because she was a) old b) probably in pain c) DM's mother who DM loved and anyway, someone had to be the bigger person and it looked like that fell to me.

Even if HM had been all the things my GM was (and I have no reason to believe she was) she was Harry's GM AND the head of state, FGS. Two things which demanded more than a modicum of respect from that brat and his wife.

It will be interesting to see what happens next. The RF have stayed quiet and so have come off as not dignifying it all with a response, which I think was the right call. They have enough rope and they're hanging themselves.

I don’t see it that way, if rumours are true then it’s a ‘tour’ of Ghana next, the setting up of Royal USA continues unabated. They are never challenged on their many lies, Meghan even gets away with lying it in court, they not held accountable for bullying staff, not held accountable for their clear links to the sewer squad and the British press particularly the mail absolutely fawn over them, they must feel untouchable because they are.

I don't think the Mail fawns over them. Could be me but I detect an undertone of 'but how can he take us to court when we're so nice about them, fnarr fnarr?' Plus they know some people want to read about them so it's clicks and sales and that's what matters.

And they balance that with what Jan Moir says about the couple. That's a lot of things but 'fawning' it isn't.

You know that person who always has to get the last word? Who can never let even the smallest little thing go?

That's Harry and Meghan.

Will Highgrove not go to William?

As it belongs to the Duchy of Cornwall, it already is William's. He is Duke of Cornwall now.

Even if HM had been all the things my GM was (and I have no reason to believe she was) she was Harry's GM AND the head of state,

And head of the armed forces, to whom Harry swore an oath of allegiance on joining the army.

While everyone else is rolling their eyes and thinking 'what are they like? just ignore them, with any luck they might go away.'

Look at the company they keep, no one of real power and influence, even in Nigeria they met a defence minister not the president. It's all smoke and mirrors to hide the fact they simply don't have access to the real movers and shakers in the world. They might occasionally share a stage but they don't seem to have anything concrete to contribute that would attract those with power. There is nothing that needs a response from the King or the Government, beyond making sure everyone knows they are not speaking for UKPLC.

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and this clapback when they were told they couldn't use Sussex Royal for their commercial endeavours.

While there is not any jurisdiction by The Monarchy or Cabinet Office over the use of the word ‘Royal’ overseas,
This was a major turning point. Who talks back like this to their grandmother even privately?

This is one area where they show that they must either be stupid or utterly, utterly brass-necked.

They pay lip service to respecting the late Queen and make sucky-up statements about her yet they seem to imagine that branding the RF racist wouldn't bother her? Prince Philip and the late Queen might have been 'people of their generation' and not woke in the sense of being up-to-speed on the latest terms etc, but all I've seen and read about them over the years would suggest strongly that they're NOT racist. This accusation must have hurt and shocked them in their final years/months. I know, for example, that PP was hugely interested in and admiring of tribal people in Africa and elsewhere and far from looking down on them, clearly thought that Western values were the corrupt and harmful ones.

And using her private pet-name for their daughter without asking her - can't they see how invasive and arrogant that was? They pretend it was meant to be a compliment - so again, they're either really stupid or downright spiteful. (Perhaps one is stupid and the other spiteful - works for me!)

And, if they cared about the Queen, they'd have known how much the institution of monarchy meant to her and yet they trashed it crudely and viciously on a world-stage. You can do these things, sure - you can recklessly and imprecisely accuse the RF of racism, you can invade the privacy of a very old lady and you can knock the institution of monarchy, all for dollars if you wish. But you cannot then claim to care for the Queen! It's the hypocrisy which I just can't take. Many republicans understood that it was inappropriate to do these things in the very last years of the Queen's reign and had the discretion not to do so, but bloody Harry and Meghan?

I will stop criticising them when they start living a private life and stop making speeches, accepting awards for nothing at all and prancing around the world in aid of their 'causes'. Oh, and when they practise what they preach and condemn the SS for their appalling spite and cruelty to 2 cancer sufferers.

What grifters.

Part of me agrees that they should be just left to get on with it, and give them enough rope so to speak. They are already figures of ridicule and are becoming more so. I was, up until recently much more ambivalent towards them but since all of the online harassment, trolling and bullying of the Royal Family and especially the Princess of Wales, from the SS and the realisation that Meghan is more than likely complicit at worst, or staying silent at best. I have formed a strong opinion of M&H and it’s not positive.

Another part of me wants to see some kind of consequence for their abhorrent, petulant and hypocritical behaviour.
King Charles is in a really difficult position though and I don’t know what the consequences should be. Possibly it’s time for the Royal Family to start to complain and explain just a little. As at the moment, they are coming across as powerless to many.

I saw on another thread the other day one of the pro Sussex posters talk about how awful and disgraceful it was that Save the Children had received so many awful posts on X following them posting about the visit in Nigeria. But there has been no condemnation and there was no mention of the hounding and reporting of the Trussell Trust in relation to the just giving page from the SS.
I know it’s not just me who gets frustrated by it all……🙁

I would like Parliament to take them out of the line of succession: however, that would feed their victim mentality and there would be another round of Netflix "documentaries", interviews, statements and general collapsing on the floor.

And, if they cared about the Queen, they'd have known how much the institution of monarchy meant to her and yet they trashed it crudely and viciously on a world-stage.

And the Commonwealth. It was hugely important to the Queen, in many ways she created it and held it together. Giving them the Commonwealth role was a tremendous compliment and expression of belief in their commitment, which neither of them appreciated.

And now here are the two of them busy contributing to the undermining of the relationship of Britain and the monarchy with other Commonwealth nations.

Mummy J12
King Charles is in a really difficult position though and I don’t know what the consequences should be. Possibly it’s time for the Royal Family to start to complain and explain just a little. As at the moment, they are coming across as powerless to many.

It really is grim that the RF are going through such difficult times healthwise just now, in addition to the concern about the attacks and campaigns against them from the Sussexes and their cohorts. I cannot believe the nastiness aimed at them by H & M's supporters - it's off the scale, and has shaken my view of my fellow citizens!

H & M are certainly exploiting this situation. They know that KC and W & C are not in a position to make overseas visits at present and they've decided, despite surely knowing it wouldn't be welcomed by the RF, to go ahead and do their faux royal tours. Even the Jamaica visit was spun by them as a kind of royal visit.
I have no illusions about Meghan's callousness towards her in-laws, but how Harry can go along with this when he knows his father and SIL are ill, is unbelievable.

It's aboutmoney, of course - plus ego-tripping. They wouldn't need to do it if they were living simply as private citizens - they want to play with the A-listers, and therefore bast sums are required so that Meghan (I'm sure she's the prime mover here) can wear £50 dresses, fly by private jet and live near Gwyneth Paltrow.

Er...I mean, £50K dresses! Would that she wore £50 dresses.

I said at the time and I still believe they called lillibet that so they can tell her what to do. ‘Come here and sit down lillibet’
‘ be a good girl lillibet’ ‘don’t run about lillibet’ etc. They couldn’t say it to HLMTQ so they will say it to their dd.

This is a woman who had the flowers of the Commonwealth nations embroidered on her veil 🙄
You couldn't make it up.

Totally agree, MrsD; the RF are hardly blameless themselves, but when people behave this badly letting them hang themselves is often the wisest thing to do

On the "why don't they ask the Squad to rein it in" though, in fairness I doubt it would make any difference, as from the little I've seen (mainly quotes on here) that kind of mentality would probably just bray all the louder

However it would be a different matter if H&M were actually proved to be behind some of it, but AFAIK the jury's out on that (?)

The jury isn’t out for me and many others @Puzzledandpissedoff
Seeing prominent squad members ferried from Düsseldorf, to St Paul’s and then Nigeria as cheerleaders (and in Nigeria being part of the itinerary and on the Air Peace flights that were closed off to anyone other than the Sussexes and their entourage).
Paying Bouzy and having him on their documentary and collaborating with Ian Sexton has convinced me that they undoubtedly are behind at least some if not most of it.

Thoughly agree with this also, which is why as I've said before their silly attention seeking "visits" don't really matter beyond a bit of passing interest, and certainly not to those who hold the real power whose associations with them - if there ever were any - seem to be long gone

It's a shame they upset Nigeria's first lady and if they go to Ghana they'll probably upset someone there too, but who does that really reflect on except themselves?

Edited to add I see what you mean about the ghastly Bouzy and the ferried-around Squad members, @MummyJ12, though it still doesn't guarantee H&M influenced what they were actually going to say

That said they've provably done it before, so wouldn't it be interesting if more emails came to light detailing a (doubtless denied) collaboration?

Absolutely @MummyJ12 this is why I get so frustrated, it is all happening in plain site yet their are no consequences for their abhorrent actions, sorry but I am tired of the silence from the palace, has their dignified silence actually achieved anything?, not in my opinion, in fact I would say it just makes them more and more confident and it eggs them on, they are untouchable. I watched the mail online RF channel and according to Rebecca English the palace don’t want to do anything that will rile them, I think they are actually scared of them, it’s utterly ridiculous. I know others don’t agree and think the Palace are doing the right thing, never complain, never explain and yes I understand the palace don’t want to get into a slanging match with them, but ye gods! I sometimes get fed up of defending them constantly when they don’t do anything to help themselves. Unpopular opinion I know!

Did Nigerias First Lady not have a say though in who is invited to the country in that way, with all that money spent which could have been spent on helping the actual people? I am puzzled

What can the Palace actually do though? They have limited powers. If they issue a strong statement what would it say? Beyond saying that M and H don’t represent the RF they can’t issue criticisms and judgements of their personal behaviour. It would be grist to the mill and just fire M and H up to do more interviews and write more books. Starving them of oxygen is the only way.

One thing I would like to happen is for there to be a official investigation to see if they are behind the SS, and if proved, for them to face the consequences. This will never happen.

I agree @BigWillyLittleTodger I think Charles knows about it though (as I learned upthread), and is possibly leaving it in the hands of the agencies and SM companies. It can’t not be on the radar of MI5 and MI6, especially in light of some of the threats and bullying online, although with all that is going on at the moment globally. It’s probably not being given priority.

I can see there being more SM communication from William when he ascends. William and Catherine have more of a presence already so I think this could be a way forward in the future for less formal and more frequent statements or communications possibly. I also think William will be in a better position to do something, which could potentially be the door not only being shut but well and truly locked. I don’t see a way back from this for any kind of reconciliation. Which is very sad and a little heartbreaking.

Until then, I think that Charles is resigned to the fact that his wayward son will do and say as he pleases and the only thing he can do as his father and also as King, is to try and keep as much as a distance from it all as possible and limit the damage.