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One lot of articles should never have been written nor published.

I’ll leave it there.

The 2016 article she authored only spoke about her experiences of racism - witnessing racism aimed at her mother

The quote in my post above is from the same article I believe? Published just after her relationship with Harry became public, but presumably commissioned before that was known.

https://www.elle.com/uk/life-and-culture/news/a26855/more-than-an-other/

And Windsor's under the flight path. If it's good enough for HM....

That's an interesting article, thanks @Serenster Meghan is being very candid about her experience of racism.
She's also portraying her father in a positive light on this matter. What a shame that relationship deteriorated.

Yes, I agree

Articles you want.
Articles you don't want.
That's a free press, I'm afraid.

It is undeniable she experienced some racism and/or xenophobia,, but when you read the above article linked by Serenster and then remember that several years later she stated her first experience of being treated as a woman of colour was when she came to the UK, it totally contradicts what she had said she experienced in 2012 on Suits and that was an American audience.

If you go back to the 'Straight out of Compton' comment about her, the Daily Mail comments under that article, were overwhelming supportive of Meghan and while a lot of people (UK commenters) didn't understand the nuance of what 'straight out of Compton' could mean, they were overwhelmingly critical of how the author portrayed the area M came from and most of the comments from the public were totally supportive of her.

Yes, her and Harry were named in prosecutions against white supremacist keyboard warriors, along with plenty of other public figures, POC, Jews, Muslims etc. If there was any real risk from the keyboard idiots spewing their own kind of hate, (to an audience of a few hundred), it was to those members of the public attending synagogues and mosques or the black kid walking home from school.

I didn’t know this, that’s really interesting. Can you imagine turning that down?! It’s really rude IMO! Saying, that gift isn’t good enough, we don’t want it.
It makes sense too, as William and Catherine were given Anmer Hall as a wedding gift from HMTQ and that’s on the Sandringham Estate too. When they are treated equally they don’t like it, when they’re not they don’t like it, it’s a no win!

I suspect the problem with Sandringham for them is 1) it is too far from London and 2) it isn’t a castle 😆

They were offered the Gloucesters' very large apartment in Kensington Palace. They turned it down.

True. Someone definitely had their sights on a certain building in the Home Counties 😂

I read that Harry was to have inherited Highgrove from Charles.

From the closest sources comes the info that M&H wanted Windsor Castle. The (late) Queen shot that one down! It seems apparent that from the outset they had grand plans to have an A-list court whilst frumpy old W&H could deal with the dreary run-of-the-mill royal duties.

It’s the reverse of the GI brides who hot-footed it over to the States to be with their dh in a smart uniform, Hollywood accent and talk of refrigerators, only to discover that he lived in a trailer with his ma and 14 brothers and sisters in the Oklahoma dust bowl.

Probably all of Windsor Castle too! 😂

So much entitlement…..

But surely a Princess should live in a castle ?? Not a cottage !!

I never understood this alleged Windsor request. Did they want rooms, an apartment, the whole castle? Where was the Queen supposed to go? She famously thought of it as her home (a home, at any rate!)

The houses stories are all really strange. Like nothing is good enough, then they ask for a castle or part-castle they can’t have, then they refurbish Frog Cott (5 dwellings together? - so hardly small), and then they leave.

Don’t get it.

Robert Zane was introduced as Rachel’s father on Suits in 2013 so any racist comments on Twitter stemming from Suits would likely have been long before she met Harry and before that article.

I read in the early days that they asked for an apartment at Windsor Castle, which HM rejected, saying that 'maybe they could do something with Frogmore'. H & M assumed House and snatched her hand off, having insisted that living at Windsor was so important to them, and only later realised she meant cottage.

I suspect I'll be dead by the time the real truth comes out!

Wickedlywearynamechanged · Today 07:01
The U.S.A. is her home. I guess she feels safer there.

Possibly, but I think there's also an element of fulfilling an ambition to live in a super-rich enclave like Montecito - with its gated communities, and A-list neighbours. I get the impression that the UK is far less like that - rich, poor, and those in between live much more cheek-by-jowl than in the US where the super-rich can live in complete bubble.

I've observed and read about Meghan for a long time - she's a fascinating study. I get the impression that, while she's undoubtedly intelligent (more so than her husband), I don't think she's in any sense an intellectual, or has intellectual curiousity about anything. This is at the root of her shocking ignorance of other countries and cultures, both regarding the UK and its traditions, and those of say, Nigeria. I think it's a kind of American arrogance (not saying all Americans are like that, of course!!) but having listened to Meghan and watched her in action over the years, her ignorance about cultural issues astounds me. I don't think she has any interest in the history or culture of the UK (in fact, she has demonstrated contempt for it) but I don't get the impression she is much more culturally aware in her own land. Has she ever shown any interest in art, music, literature? Not that I can recall.

What comes over to me is someone whose interests are very materialistic and consumerist, and to do with wanting attention and adulation for her 'speeches', which, if like me, you expect words to actually MEAN something, are completely baffling.

Windsor Castle itself is huge, room for them all, but the Queen wisely probably wanted them at arm’s length.

Nott Cott was a perfect first home for Harry as a bachelor and then a newly wed, despite Oprah’s faux horror at how tiny it was. It’s very sweet, a little dated, but a first home most would be thrilled with - especially a loved up, joined at the bottom, always move together like salt and pepper couple like H and M.

Frogmore Cottage was an upgrade as they became a family, big enough for a toddler or two. In due course they would have progressed to something bigger with land.

That’s how it goes in the royal family. You get free accommodation in return for your service and according to your needs and seniority. And you get what’s offered.

She’s a reflection of the world of celebrity though. Materialism , appearances, soundbites, grasping greedy behaviour. Lack of interest in culture or the arts generally, no historical knowledge. It’s all around us . However Harry with his Eton and upbringing in an elitist family seems just as ignorant and grasping.

I can imagine they wanted the apartment in the castle because it is an actual castle and they also seemed to want to be close to the Queen to prove how important they are. I’m not sure about the thinking Frogmore was the House bit. I can’t imagine that the Queen would have let them think she meant Frog House. In fact I wouldn’t think it would be the Queen who actually suggested it. More likely someone in charge of the properties. I think they had to go for it as they were running out of options having turned other places down and wanting to be at Windsor. As you say, we’ll never really know 🤷‍♀️

Sarah Ferguson is pretty awful too.

At any rate, it’s not my intention to turn this thread into a discussion about racism experienced by Meghan. I was simply responding to a poster who thinks it wasn’t about racism. I don’t see how we can deny it, as it was, at least in part, about racism.

Of course M has suffered racism, and that's inexcusable. It was the stick the media used to beat her, as they used class to beat Catherine and weight issues for Fergie back in the day.

But I don't believe that most people who are critical of her are antagonistic on the grounds of race. I judge her by her own words and actions (or lack of them sometimes). At the time of her wedding I was thrilled (as were the RF, I'm sure) at the chance for a great new chapter in UK history/culture.

My personal grounds for disliking M, apart from the wider, often rehearsed ones, is that it feels like the meanest of the mean girls in school has been put on a pedestal and is now living the life of Reilly!

Laurie
She’s a reflection of the world of celebrity though. Materialism , appearances, soundbites, grasping greedy behaviour. Lack of interest in culture or the arts generally, no historical knowledge. It’s all around us . However Harry with his Eton and upbringing in an elitist family seems just as ignorant and grasping.

Quite. And I contrast this with KC. He may not be an Einstein in the IQ dept, but he's always had intellectual interests: history, music, architecture, horticulture, the environment etc.

It's just a personal prejudice on my part. I can't relate to people like Meghan. There's so much to enjoy in cultural terms, especially if you're wealthy, but the two of them seem like materialistic and shallow super-consumers with little depth or anything profound to say. Why? Because they only ever talk about themselves, and they are both ignorant ego-trippers.

But I don't believe that most people who are critical of her are antagonistic on the grounds of race. I judge her by her own words and actions (or lack of them sometimes). At the time of her wedding I was thrilled (as were the RF, I'm sure) at the chance for a great new chapter in UK history/culture

Right back at the start of the Sussexes kicking off, when the racism directed to MM was a very hot topic on here, I can recall one poster saying right out that for them MM's race was the very least of the problems some people had with her and her behaviour. Had we not been told she was biracial I'd have assumed she was of Spanish/Italian/Mediterranean descent and thought no more about it.

Racism, of course, was a very useful stick with which to beat those uptight Brits who didn't immediately fall in uncritically in love with the RF's latest recruit.