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Reality bit … a non mansion, a kinda knocked about semi

If you mean Frogmore Cottage, admittedly the "before" images looked a bit grim but it's all very different when seen from the air - not to mention how it would doubtless have looked inside after the renovations

That said I've often wondered if Meghan googled Frogmore and confused it with Frogmore House. She wouldn't be the first, and if anyone thought they were getting that I can see that the "cottage" would seem the lesser property

That pesky google deficiency again

The words of the first verse of the national anthem of the UK are very straightforward to learn.

And she was likely familiar with the tune.

It appears Harry and Meghan started out thinking they would be more popular, more adored than William and Kate. I don't really understand why this was so important to them.

They were obviously planning their 'escape' very early on in their relationship but the setting up of some sort of rival 'court' is just weird, especially in the US. Do they see themselves as JFK and Jackie overseeing Camelot?

They don't seem to have a clue what their position is - they don't have the clout to seriously make a difference as philanthropists, or the business acumen to be successful entrepreneurs.

They just seem to want to promote themselves for no real, justifiable reason.

The Camelot idea is interesting. I think they wanted to be the stars of their own show, rather than the supporting act.

https://www.ok.co.uk/royal/sophie-wessex-denies-shes-brave-32905321.amp

contrast MM and her empty posturing with the work Sophie does largely unreported and unnoticed.

My feeling about Meghans mental health crisis when a working Royal was that she couldn’t cope with the disparity between what she imagined life in the UK would be like and the reality. It wasn’t about racism it was about her personal inability to live a life that wasn’t all about praise for herself at an ego level. She was never interested in causes or charities, just self promotion and self interest. Sophie is the real deal, like Princess Anne. She made a lot of mistakes early on but learned from them .

Everybody knows that the eldest son gets the goods. That’s not to say the spare goes without.
It’s not a solely royal concept either.
My eldest had his own room,number 2was in with us until we moved to a bigger house, then the eldest still got the bigger bedroom.
And these are terraced houses btw not palaces and castles.

I really wish the work Sophie and Camilla do, with slightly different focus, on violence against women would get more attention. Kudos to both of them for speaking up.

It wasn’t about racism it was about her personal inability to live a life that wasn’t all about praise for herself at an ego level.

Even if you discount what Meghan said about there being concerns over the future Archie’s skin colour, it is impossible to discount the newspaper articles that were racist, the fact that Harry Meghan and Archie did receive death threats from white supremacists and people were jailed for it. Ex Police were given suspended sentences for their racist texts aimed at Meghan, Harry and others.

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Neil Basu - the former head of counter-terrorism policing in England - was speaking to Channel 4 News in his final interview as assistant commissioner.

"If you'd seen the stuff that was written and you were receiving it, the kind of rhetoric that's online, if you don't know what I know, you would feel under threat all of the time," he said.

No wonder Meghan was suicidal. She didn’t feel safe. Why would she? She was new to the Royal Family, new to the UK and although she had witnessed overt racism in the US aimed at her mother Doria, it seems it wasn’t until she came to the UK that she experienced it so directly herself. I’m not saying it was only coming from the UK - racism is everywhere and we live in a global world courtesy of the internet - but the UK was where she was living when she first experienced it. And it was her joining the RF that triggered it. And UK tabloids helped stir that up.

I’ve provided 2 links

Channel 4 Interview of Former Head of Counter Terrorism
Racist threats

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/former-uk-police-officers-sentenced-sending-racist-messages-about-meghan-royals-2023-12-07/

All members of the RF receive threats. Have a look at incidents involving Charles and Anne, for example.
The late Queen had a man break into her bedroom.
Yes, there was racism directed towards her. It's inexcusable, it shouldn't have happened, but unfortunately it did. She was very well protected in the UK. You never even saw a pap picture of her. Unlike in Canada and the USA.
There are more racists in the USA, and what's more, they carry guns.

I agree about Camilla and Sophie’s focus on the violence against women. I too wish they got more media coverage for their work in these areas:

It's excellent work. The thing is - it's not about them. They do it for the cause and to shine a light on others. The speeches are never about themselves, always about the charity and the organisation.

There are more racists in the USA, and what's more, they carry guns.

I didn’t say there wasn’t. U.S.A. is 5 times the size of UK population. Sheer numbers would indicate it is so. As I said, though, she had not directly experienced it aimed at herself until she came to the UK. Although she seen it happen to her mother.

Yes. More people, more racists with guns.
That's commonsense. So why live there?

The U.S.A. is her home. I guess she feels safer there.

Undoubtedly there were threats against Meghan, racist threats too. I should imagine there are many threats directed at every senor member of the rf - except we don't (and don't need to) hear about them. The late Queen and Princess Anne have both been subject to a actual physical threats. .

There have been many overt threats directed at the Prince and Princess of Wales, and their young children, especially by supporters of Harry and Meghan.

Meghan did say she'd been subject to racism in the US during her stint in Suits. Marrying Harry ramped it up, but according to Meghan herself it certainly wasn't the first time she had experienced racism.

That's because she became famous because of her marriage to Harry. In the USA previously she'd been a suitcase girl on a game show, then a part in a cable tv show. She became famous when she joined the RF so got more attention, positive and negative.
Unfortunately, there have been serious and credible threats against all members of the RF.

I couldn’t sleep and was for some reason thinking about them last night . I really struggle with harry;s appalling behaviour, to not see his father as he wishes security, even though he is often seen In places with public entrance and exit points, from courts due to his many legal cases, to airports etc. but to then lie and say his dad had refused to see him is just really horrible behaviour. And says everything about the man he is, vindictive, spiteful and dishonest.

and then when you could in launching Megan’s pretend brand,and the archewell prize, when William was doing the Diana awards of all things, was pure spite.

the behaviour is so shitty, and it hasn’t changed. It’s who they are, and this will continue, and the more they flounder the more they will behave in this manner to the royals

Exactly. She also had a lot more positive press than ever before, because she suddenly became famous due to Harry's (inherited, not earned) fame.

The disgusting racist articles get quoted, the many more positive ones don't.

It is a bit ingenuous to acknowledge one but not the other.

I seem to recall that H and M thought they were getting Frogmore House, where they had their wedding reception. They had originally wanted Windsor Castle .
Frogmore Cottage is still a very substantial house !

“and then when you could in launching Megan’s pretend brand,and the archewell prize, when William was doing the Diana awards of all things, was pure spite.”

I wonder what stunt they will pull when Catherine reappears?

In 2016 Meghan wrote an article for Elle Magaxine in the US, talking about her experiences as a mixed race person. Apart from relating stories about racism directed at her mother, she also discussed this episode:

At the end of season two, the producers went a step further and cast the role of Rachel's father as a dark-skinned African-American man, played by the brilliant Wendell Pierce. I remember the tweets when that first episode of the Zane family aired, they ran the gamut from: 'Why would they make her dad black? She's not black' to 'Ew, she's black? I used to think she was hot.' The latter was blocked and reported. The reaction was unexpected, but speaks of the undercurrent of racism that is so prevalent, especially within America.

That’s the sad truth, as others have said - once you attain a position that gives you more attention, some of that attention will be from ugly people expressing ugly thoughts (and also pandering to markets who want to hear those ugly thoughts too). I don’t think that’s right, but it seems to be inevitable for everyone in the public eye, whether they set themselves up to be controversial or not.

Unfortunately, there have been serious and credible threats against all members of the RF.

Yes I know that and not denying it. Why would I?

At any rate, it’s not my intention to turn this thread into a discussion about racism experienced by Meghan. I was simply responding to a poster who thinks it wasn’t about racism. I don’t see how we can deny it, as it was, at least in part, about racism.

(I was unaware that Meghan had been the target of racists while on suits. The 2016 article she authored only spoke about her experiences of racism - witnessing racism aimed at her mother. But it doesn’t surprise me that she experienced racist threats after that date - perhaps after she became connected to Harry).

The "undercurrent of racism in America".
Very true. What a shame that character was then perceived differently.

They left because they wanted a different life.
That is all.