american riviera orchard - what was that all about then?

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It seems to have gone the same way as their Sussex Royal site. I don't know much about social media or PR, but this all seems pretty odd and ineffectual.

what surprises me now, is these fake working royal visits is all Megan. And she was obviously the key one who wanted to leave. We don’t really see Harry going off and visiting sick kids and getting his photo taken. In fact he does nothing fake working royal on his own. If he does it, it’s with Megan. It’s her trying to emulate what they walked away from. Not him

Competition with the Princess of Wales again. 'Well, now Kate's out of commission, someone's got to do the princessing!'

I don't often defend M and H but they were very encouraged by articles in the British Press, at the time of the engagement, into thinking that they were an overturning godsend to the country, a change from the 'stuffy, unexciting, boring' ones

So was Diana. Then it was Sarah Ferguson, the breezy no-nonsense redhead. Then the minute she was in the RF the 'rivalry' with Diana started and the cruel comments about her weight and her looks.

I do think Megan would be more successful if she jettisoned him.

Really?

I think she'd sink without trace.

I think she'll hang onto him until she can find someone more lucrative to exploit, and he'll hang onto her because he's too arrogant to admit a mistake..

What annoys me though is how the media talk about how if their talentless celeb career doesn't work out, they know they can just move back to Britain and expect a free mansion. Hope if that happened, Harry would have to pay back the millions Charles gave him as a pay off.

Not to mention all of the money the country has wasted defending his "I want special protection" lawsuits. We should have that back, too.

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Sophie Rhys-Jones was the 'new Diana' for a while as well.

I remember (yes, I'm that old) an article about Sarah, when the engagement was announced, comparing her openness and verve with the "stuffy" Princess Diana.

I too remember Sarah Ferguson being touted as the new beauty with the great personality, tremendous sense of fun and mischief with the dashing Prince Andrew (war hero) on her arm, in contrast to the dull and demure Charles and Diana.

There were plenty of, "Kate is dull and frumpy" articles when Meghan came on the scene (contrary to all evidence about Catherine's actual personality). And of course William always the dutiful one compared to the fun-boy Harry (also war hero).

Nothing changes. It always ends in tears. The tears of the ones who believe their own hype, and fully inhale the smoke blown up their arses by the fickle press.

Actually I don’t think HMTLQ did rule the family. I think that was the job of HMTLDoE (P.Philip). Apparently HMTLQ was fond of Fergie and Andrew being her favourite son felt continuous pressure from him to allow Fergie back into family life but P.Philip ruled the family with an iron fist and said no. HMTLQ followed suit. She ruled the country, he ruled the Royal Family.

*i think it tells us just how deluded , superior and entitled the pair of them are. The fact that Harry unashamedly tells us, Megan, a woman he’d known for a couple of years, an American tv actress, was going to come in and modernise the monarchy , and that she believed she was both capable and to be given free reign to do that by marrying Harry of all people , is really quite telling at a base level.

That he thought he was in the leadership position and could decide to modernise the monarchy and could bring Megan in to do that. And that she thought she was able for that. And the queen was just going to let them take over.

it says everything about the pair of them. And explains so much about what came next when the queen firmly put them back in their place. The anger, spite, resentment, and then the continually trying things they are not capable of and failing.*

This is all so true @JJathome , I hadn't thought of it that way at all. I totally drank the Meghan Koolaid at the time.

I felt when I watched the engagement interview and the mental health initiative with four of them on the platform that Meghan was already very much in this mode. She was absolutely dominating and very over confident in herself. I really think even then she thought she was the star attraction. I was quite excited about it all then but alarm bells were already ringing.

Tabloids do what tabloids do. Breath of fresh air etc. then rivals. They only do it to the women though. I don’t see any tabloid pitting Beatrice’s husband against Eugenie’s and I bet that would not be the case even if they were the heir and spare.
we’ll get it when George gets a wife v Louis’s wife but luckily there are a few years between them plus Louis is child number 3 not 2 and there is Charlotte in the middle to dilute the effect so the “rivalry “ will be reduced but no doubt the papers will try and conjure one up!

I always think it was v wise of William and Kate to have 3 kids

Meghan Coolaid - gold!

^ my thoughts too

I don’t know. When you see them interviewed they all say the queen was the boss. She was very much in charge.that doesn’t mean she didn’t acquiesce to at times to Philip , they were married after all, and something like Sarah Ferguson I can’t imagine she’d go against any strong feelings he had . Being in charge doesn’t mean you control every element and never let your spouse have a say or make some decisions. Being the boss means you know when to call it and when to let someone else.

I think the Queen was VERY VERY clear that she was head of an institution. First and foremost, it was her role that was the most important thing. Whether you were a royalist or anti-royalist you could see that.

Therefore personality and personal interests and preferences did not hold sway and were always of secondary or minimal significance.

Something Meghan and Harry would not accept.

They have every opportunity life could reasonably afford them and then thrown it all away. They could have been high profile working royals with all the fame and attention they could wish for. They could have been non-working royals and enjoyed an immensely privileged and private lifestyle. Their children could have grown up surrounded by an extended, fun and loving family, and plenty of cousins their own ages. They could probably have pursued any hobbies, vocations, studies or philanthropic pursuits their hearts desired. I just don't get how they can make so many missteps to have ended up with such a bitter, isolated existence. I truly hope that they are happier than they come across.

agree, but we are normal. What they wanted, or I suspect Megan wanted, and thought she was when she married , was the American a list celeb status, the money, the fame, to move in those circles.

to be able to use private jets at will, have a designer wardrobe, invite folks like gwneth or the clooneys over for dinner. To not have scrutiny on their travel plans, how much her wardrobe cost. To live in a huge mansion aside other celebs, to not have to do basic stuff like open community centres. To be able to give prestigious awards, receive them, do speeches, play the humanitarian., be feted and live an a list lifestyle. And as a tv actress with one successful show, Harry afforded her the only chance she’d get at that.

and to be fair they could have done that, had they any talent. Netflix and Spotify gave them the platform. Their total lack of ability and subsequent decision to make their name going after the royals and selling stories, and not just once. Repeatedly. Due to their inability to do anything else. Did for them.

i very much doubt anyone a list, is inviting them round for dinner. No one wants to be publicly associated with them. They are desperately seeking an income stream. And appear to have fucked up their latest endeavour, the American riviera orchard thing. There is clearly no cooking show if they can’t get their website off the ground, never mind make a success of it.

it is just a constant race to th4 bottom.

Also they’re apparently always asking other celebrities for freebies, like their jets and houses to borrow.

Presidents too allegedly. Although there was quite a bit of bending over backwards to show how 'the timeline wouldn't have worked' IIRC.

I do think Megan would be more successful if she jettisoned him.

I'd be surprised.

I think she's now too tarnished by the proven lies, failed deals and grifter reputation that have built up over the years to earn the necessary respect or trust she'd need even to become the modest success she was pre-Harold.

She wouldn't be more successful without him. He's the only reason she's where she is with this amount of fame and money.
Also - the all important royal titles.

I think MM will get rid of PH in the not too distant future! She'll fine a bloke with money and success that she can leech off of and try to jettison herself into a significant role by doing sod all, like she is now, but failing at every turn! - possibly some creature like Trump

Got to be a Prince or equivalent, though?
She ain't dropping that title any time soon.

Is a rich, successful man really going to want to be with a middle aged woman with two children, a ton of baggage and no real money of her own? Not to mention a reputation for disloyalty and indiscretion?

Rich successful men can have their pick of women. What does Meghan bring to the table?

@AutumnCrow and @TTPD , and others, I take your points about the RF being so used to it that they just rolled their eyes. As I'd lived through the others you'd think that would have occurred to me, too.

I could see Meghan getting an eye watering settlement should they split, enough for a life of philanthropy and press coverage to match. I do think Charles would do so to protect Harry, for all the dirt Harry likes to throw he does not seem to have the mental health to cope if it is returned. I could see a huge non disclosure agreement divorce and trust funds for the children as well as equal share of joint wealth. I’d argue Meghan is with Harry for love, and the support in the US appears to be for Meghan on the social media side.