Constitutional chaos.

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Kate is ill (reasons plural - physical and mental etc) but what if that isn’t the main story.

What if the rumours are true and Rose Chum’s third child is William’s? Born 2016, she’s older than Louis.

Massive constitutional headache. Does Daughter Chum enter the line of succession ahead of Louis? Illegitimate but maybe people would demand William treat her as an equal child. Maybe this is what Rishi Sunak has been grappling with.

There would be huge public/social splits on the issue. Church of England issues filling the papers, endless ‘Well, what is the point of marriage’ op-eds from lawyers, and so on. Plus KC3 with health looking shaky….

And what about Kate? Stay or go?

Big ole mess.

Exactly. Not bad to manage Normandy, fight off threats from France and Flanders, but also conquer and suppress England, too? Perhaps he was, in the words of historian John Gillingham "a lucky bastard".

I love the fact that you didn’t know anything about the issue a page ago and now you’re confidently telling us what happened! 🤣🤣

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Ooh fancy that😀. I’m actually two years retired now on a very nice pension thank you for asking.

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I'm just repeating what I read in three different articles about it.

Hello Mr. Fly 💥🕳️🌚

Regardless of whether or not there is any substance to these rumours, I don't believe that there would be any public support at all for seeing a child born as the result of an extramarital affair placed ahead of Prince George as 2nd in line.

While illegitimacy is no big deal these days, I don't think that extends to children born as a result of affairs, rightly or wrongly

We could always trace back to Charles II to select a monarch, seeing as the rule book is out of the window. He ennobled his illegitimate offspring and they still populate the aristocracy. Camilla/Kit Harington/Fergie (3 lines in her case) plus myriad others all directly descended from him.

I could get behind Kit Harington finally being King of something, Jon Snow was robbed in GOT but William would still be in with a chance as he's got I think 2 direct lines via Diana. It would keep the genealogists busy for decades.

Seriously, I prefer my scenario to the paternity of actual, real children being the subject of public gossip.

I see. So Leopold III abdicated for essentially the same reason as his relative Edward VIII did here - supporting the nazis.

What a family eh.

Alexander Armstrong? He is a direct descendant of William the Conqueror, although, as we know, William was a bastard.
Maybe work forward from King Alfred?.

As a direct descendant of Charles II I now lay claim to the throne so shove over Chazza.

That poor woman Rose whatever. People openly speculating on the biggest women's website in the UK that her third child is not her husband's - without a shred of evidence.

Just when you think the threads on the royals can't get any lower, or any more desperate for prurient gossip.

And no, it is of zero constitutional interest.

Millions of people are direct descendants of William I; and Edward I, and Charlemagne (just in case someone fancies being Holy Roman Emperor).

Exactly. I feel sorry for Rose

They did, yes.

Just think, Henry VIII wouldn't have had to get through all those wives if Henry FitzRoy could have just become king.

We could always trace back to Charles II to select a monarch, seeing as the rule book is out of the window. He ennobled his illegitimate offspring and they still populate the aristocracy. Camilla/Kit Harington/Fergie (3 lines in her case) plus myriad others all directly descended from him.

But don't forget the Prince of Wales, who is a direct descendant of Charles II though his mother.

The current Duke of Buccleuch is a direct descendant of the eldest illegitimate child of Charles II, so maybe he would like the job?

@MNHQ I love the "thanks" button. Could we also have a "no thanks" button for all the total batshittery that has populated MN of late?

Indeed. Maybe a reality show competition?

If you really are a lawyer, as you claim, then you will know the answer to your questions or will have access to better informed people than you're likely to find on Mumsnet.

I suspect you are asking this 'question' as a way to sneak in the latest Twitter rumours. That's your real motive here.

It wasn’t uncommon across Europe following European wars. The grand Duchess of Luxembourg had to abdicate following WWI because of her pro-German views then. And Prince Clause of the Netherlands - husband to Queen Beatrix - was German and had been in the Nazi Youth etc while living in Germany during WWII. Their marriage was very controversial in the 1960s , and people thought that the Dutch Monarchy might come to an end over the issue (it didn’t).

Interestingly, to come full circle, Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands had some half- siblings as her father Prince Bernhard had affairs while married to her mother Queen Juliana. He wasn’t the reigning monarch though, but the Consort. And they weren’t in the line of succession!

This!

Indeed. Maybe a reality show competition?

What a great idea. I'd watch that. A central feature could be DNA testing (might involve some exhumations, but what the hey?) Then some big reveals.

A central feature could be DNA testing (might involve some exhumations, but what the hey?)

Eeeuuuwww. You're warped (saying it with love 😄)

They could get Jeremy Kyle in to do the DNA testing. They could supply them with enough Dubonnet to really get them going. Anyone who thinks their mum shagged anyone in the Royal Family could get DNA tested and lay claim to the Throne. Or just overthrow The King and use their DNA test to establish legitimacy.

Indeed. Maybe a reality show competition?

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With some sort of " The Tower " situation ( for the unsuccessful )