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Constitutional chaos.

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TheSuggestedAmendment · 16/03/2024 09:28

Kate is ill (reasons plural - physical and mental etc) but what if that isn’t the main story.

What if the rumours are true and Rose Chum’s third child is William’s? Born 2016, she’s older than Louis.

Massive constitutional headache. Does Daughter Chum enter the line of succession ahead of Louis? Illegitimate but maybe people would demand William treat her as an equal child. Maybe this is what Rishi Sunak has been grappling with.

There would be huge public/social splits on the issue. Church of England issues filling the papers, endless ‘Well, what is the point of marriage’ op-eds from lawyers, and so on. Plus KC3 with health looking shaky….

And what about Kate? Stay or go?

Big ole mess.

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trollopolis · 17/03/2024 12:51

RoyalDramaLlama · 17/03/2024 09:34

Really? Whats more likely- that William has employed a 60 strong team of incompetents in his office, none of whom, despite it being their job, know what the rules were for submitting photographs to International press agencies, or that William, thinking he could do what he liked either ignored them or went over their head? What about Andrew and his imperious attitude to staff, not listening to any advice about both his interview, his relationship with Epstein and myriad other shady people and his court case. What about Charles and his relationship with Peter Ball and taking shady money from Arab princes? Harry? Is it likely that they listen to advice, or that they surround themselves with yes men who either tell them what they want to hear, or they don't listen to advice? Divine right of Kings being abolished and treating people like they still have the Divine right of Kings so they still believe it in their hearts is two different things.

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Treating people badly is sod all to do with the (long abolished) Divine Right

Listening or not listening to advisers is sod all to do with it either

Surrounding yourself with "yes men" is sod all to do with it

There is nothing, except an idiosyncratic view which has nothing whatsoever to do with Divine Right, to suggest that any monarch since 1688 has believed inn it, or has acted in any way that contradicts Parliament's constitutional role (which is the relevant issue)

greyflannel · 17/03/2024 12:53

crumpet · 16/03/2024 09:50

You’d have to contend with the rest of the aristocracy. There would be uproar if illegitimate children could suddenly inherit titles. It’s not just limited to the Royal family. It would then also bring into question other rights if succession- entails for example. Or the rights of trans me. To inherit about their younger biological male siblings.

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Sounds like a potentially very progressive development.

RoyalDramaLlama · 17/03/2024 13:03

trollopolis · 17/03/2024 12:51

Treating people badly is sod all to do with the (long abolished) Divine Right

Listening or not listening to advisers is sod all to do with it either

Surrounding yourself with "yes men" is sod all to do with it

There is nothing, except an idiosyncratic view which has nothing whatsoever to do with Divine Right, to suggest that any monarch since 1688 has believed inn it, or has acted in any way that contradicts Parliament's constitutional role (which is the relevant issue)

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Okay, sense of entitlement the size of a planet then. Where does that come from? Being surrounded by deference and obsequiousness. Where does that come from?

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 17/03/2024 13:07

Okay, sense of entitlement the size of a planet then. Where does that come from? Being surrounded by deference and obsequiousness. Where does that come from?

I hope you're not suggesting that thinking like that is exclusive to the RF. Do you have any evidence for this 'entitlement the size of a planet'? and which one? Pluto? Uranus?

Stonyoopsoops · 17/03/2024 13:13

A sense of entitlement? I don’t think so. Unless of course you think it is ok to have people travel for a video appearance after a lengthy ceremony?

Alas a sense of superiority may be a very real thing. Reading some of the idiotic posts and theories on here would assist immensely with that.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 17/03/2024 13:20

Sounds like a potentially very progressive development

What, bringing the basis for inheritance into question is progressive? and what if that didn't stop with the royals and the aristocracy?

CarolinaInTheMorning · 17/03/2024 16:00

There is nothing, except an idiosyncratic view which has nothing whatsoever to do with Divine Right, to suggest that any monarch since 1688 has believed inn it, or has acted in any way that contradicts Parliament's constitutional role (which is the relevant issue)

True. Also I think people often confuse "the divine right of kings" with the notion that someone with a strong religious faith might believe that they were called by God to their position. I think that the late Queen, known to have a strong Christian faith, might have believed that she had been chosen in some way by God for her role, but that does not mean that she thought that God had chosen her to act in any way that was not in full compliance with the norms of constitutional monarchy.

sunglassesonthetable · 17/03/2024 17:06

Okay, sense of entitlement the size of a planet then. Where does that come from? Being surrounded by deference and obsequiousness. Where does that come from?

We all know that having a sense of entitlement the size of planet can be found in every strata of society.

It's not exclusive to the Royal Family.

smilesy · 17/03/2024 17:08

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 17/03/2024 13:07

Okay, sense of entitlement the size of a planet then. Where does that come from? Being surrounded by deference and obsequiousness. Where does that come from?

I hope you're not suggesting that thinking like that is exclusive to the RF. Do you have any evidence for this 'entitlement the size of a planet'? and which one? Pluto? Uranus?

Having a sense of entitlement the size of Uranus will probably make your eyes water

luckylavender · 17/03/2024 17:10

TheSuggestedAmendment · 16/03/2024 09:34

Not really. I’m a lawyer and constitutional law is an interest.

At least I’m not pruriently discussing what illness Kate may have. Lots of those threads.

Although you've made some snide little aside comments

luckylavender · 17/03/2024 17:15

HungerPangs · 16/03/2024 10:56

Honestly, if you don’t read threads like this online, you wouldn’t have a clue about any of this. I certainly didn’t.

Kate is mentally ill because Will shagged her mate and got her pregnant? Seriously?!

Mumsnet in 2024 is like the good old Daily Sport in 1994. Bonkers.

Wasn't it only last year that the POW went to a music festival with Rose,,,,? So seems very unlikely.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 17/03/2024 20:25

smilesy · 17/03/2024 17:08

Having a sense of entitlement the size of Uranus will probably make your eyes water

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As will talking out of it.

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