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Are Harry, Meghan, Archie and Lili coming back home?

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NotMyPage · 07/03/2024 18:59

It would be nice to have them back and getting along with the rest of the family, what do people think? They'd have to apologise and try to move forward in a positive way. With Charles being unwell and elderly, and the Wales kids too young to serve as working royals, the Sussex's may be needed. Trump may win the election, which could have a negative impact on them and Archie will start school soon, a great time to relocate home?? Apparently Meghan is looking for PR agencies to help her improve her image. Would the Uk welcome them?

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Roussette · 08/03/2024 13:37

Gottseidank · 08/03/2024 13:33

It was reported by his preferred mouthpiece (Telegraph) and he never denied it, so it was probably true.

Unlike the RF, Harry isn’t of the “never complain” persuasion - he’s usually quick to deny stories he’s unhappy with

The Telegraph is his preferred mouthpiece?
Who says?
Just because a nonsense clickbait story is written, and just because he and Meghan don't deny all the crap written about them, doesn't mean it's true...

NotMyPage · 08/03/2024 13:40

Well, they'd obviously only come back to working royal roles and would have protection like all working royal. I reckon a nice stately home and posh private / public schooling are more palatable than life on Mars. Their ventures in the US don't seem to go anywhere they may have no choice but try and reintegrate with the royal family with water tight NDAs, so they can't spill royal beans.

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Roussette · 08/03/2024 13:46

TallerSally · 08/03/2024 13:33

So true!

It's like a creative writing competition: who can come up with the most creative insults for Harry and Meghan!

What Z-lister, nonentity or fading celebrity can we give a front-page platform to, just because they've thrown some fancy-sounding (or not!) insults M&H's way?

We've had so many "thrown the RF under the bus", "trading on their titles for money", "liars", "whingers" etc etc for so many years that it's now become more boring than hell, so what's the next set of talking points we can come up with!???

Some H&M-insulting creativity, puhleeeeeeease!

Haha yes!

We've had 7 years of this! Literally from the day Meghan walked into Harry's life.
I often quote a thread started the day after their engagement interview. 2017.

It was entitled "I'm fucking sick of Harry & Meghan already"
If anyone doesn't believe me, look it up! I was shocked and had a feeling of impending doom. They'd done nothing wrong

It was horrible. And it's never stopped.

No wonder they left

TallerSally · 08/03/2024 13:46

NotMyPage · 08/03/2024 13:40

Well, they'd obviously only come back to working royal roles and would have protection like all working royal. I reckon a nice stately home and posh private / public schooling are more palatable than life on Mars. Their ventures in the US don't seem to go anywhere they may have no choice but try and reintegrate with the royal family with water tight NDAs, so they can't spill royal beans.

I reckon a nice stately home and posh private / public schooling are more palatable than life on Mars
Their ventures in the US don't seem to go anywhere

Yeah, right.

So many opinions presented as facts!

Because of course, they are not currently living in a gorgeous home, and there are no good schools in Montecito.

And what better place to get an accurate sense for how M&H's ventures in the US are going, than on... MN's RF boards!

It's always nice to banter and exchange ideas, but this tabloid-clickbait fabricated idea of M&H returning to the UK is about as off-the-scale balmy as them moving to Mordor, Norislk or planet Mars...

Anyway, back to other pursuits...

Pushtart · 08/03/2024 13:46

It's amusing that people who were so glad to see the back of them and never want them back still, after 4 years, can't stop talking about them. If people are so pleased with the royal family they have, why not focus on what they're doing?

I don't think there is any validity to the stories that they want to come back here to live or to work in any manner for the family firm again. I think those stories are meant to deflect attention.

Roussette · 08/03/2024 13:50

Pushtart · 08/03/2024 13:46

It's amusing that people who were so glad to see the back of them and never want them back still, after 4 years, can't stop talking about them. If people are so pleased with the royal family they have, why not focus on what they're doing?

I don't think there is any validity to the stories that they want to come back here to live or to work in any manner for the family firm again. I think those stories are meant to deflect attention.

Oh so true

Why not talk about the RF we do have?

Some people just need to move on. They were quiet for months and there was thread after thread speculating where they were, what they were doing ..all peppered with the usual slurs and insulting names for them of course

skullbabe · 08/03/2024 14:03

If Harry “always wanted to leave”, why did they assume those completely unnecessary (and rather ridiculous) titles for their children?

Harry wanted to leave in his youth - but it is more than apparent that there was going to be no escaping from who is is as prince of the realm even if he gave up working duties. Therefore his plans were never going to really work. It became even more complicated once he had children - I personally don't think they should have assumed their titles but I don't think it reasonable for Harry to reject their birthright on their behalf.
I do however find it interesting that the children's titles are ridiculous. What is ridiculous about them?

Why the pompous new website emblazoned with Royal crests?

Anyone is entitled to have a website. Pomposity is in the eye of the observer. Crests are not exclusive to Royalty in the UK. People with crests are allowed to use them.

Why the monogrammed doormats?

Because they're cute. I have one - don't think that makes me pompous, grand or wannabe royal.

AutumnCrow · 08/03/2024 14:06

Didn't this all start with the Trump / visa story gaining more traction? Trump may actually return to the White House 😱and he is reported as indicating he would not protect Harry; and there are developments in the Heritage Foundation court case. (The Biden administration's somewhat interesting position is that Harry may have lied about his drug use in Spare.)

Hence the speculation?

(Drop URL into archive dot ph to read.)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2024/03/07/judge-orders-us-hand-over-prince-harry-visa-application/

Judge orders US officials to hand over Prince Harry’s visa application

The Heritage Foundation is seeking the release of the papers, claiming the Duke’s drug use should have disqualified him from entering the US

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2024/03/07/judge-orders-us-hand-over-prince-harry-visa-application

skullbabe · 08/03/2024 14:11

Roussette · 08/03/2024 13:37

The Telegraph is his preferred mouthpiece?
Who says?
Just because a nonsense clickbait story is written, and just because he and Meghan don't deny all the crap written about them, doesn't mean it's true...

This is because one columnist, Bryony Gordon, is favourable to him. Nevermind the overwhelming negative consensus on the Telegraph.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 08/03/2024 14:12

but I don't think it reasonable for Harry to reject their birthright on their behalf.

Do you think Ann was unreasonable then in denying her children titles when offered? and Edward and Sophie were wrong to not have their children’s titles as Prince and Princess? So Prince Andrew did the right thing accepting Princess titles for his daughters?

MrsLeonFarrell · 08/03/2024 14:12

Roussette · 08/03/2024 13:34

Harry was always a square peg in a round hole within the RF. Thank goodness he met Meghan and left. Best decision all round

Yes and I think the reason he sometimes seems to want royal status is because, even though he wasn't happy within the institution, he is struggling with the adjustment to a life beyond it.

How could he have any real idea of what life would be like outside the institution? I suspect this is the root of his surprise that security was withdrawn and decision to choose to use titles for his children. It is not that he wants to be an America based working royal but that he is finding his identity outside the system. And he has to make this adjustment in public which is hard for anyone. (I wouldn't personally have chosen to do interviews and books about my family but it's done and he needs to be allowed to move forward.)

I hope that in the future they can spend time as wider family together but the institution aspect is one which I hope he comes to terms with leaving.

Roussette · 08/03/2024 14:13

skullbabe · 08/03/2024 14:11

This is because one columnist, Bryony Gordon, is favourable to him. Nevermind the overwhelming negative consensus on the Telegraph.

Well....that's what I thought so I didn't understand the comment

skullbabe · 08/03/2024 14:14

BigWillyLittleTodger · 08/03/2024 14:12

but I don't think it reasonable for Harry to reject their birthright on their behalf.

Do you think Ann was unreasonable then in denying her children titles when offered? and Edward and Sophie were wrong to not have their children’s titles as Prince and Princess? So Prince Andrew did the right thing accepting Princess titles for his daughters?

Yes I think Andrew was right to and no I think it was wrong for Ann and Edward to before their children were adults. But we can differ in opinion.

CoffeeCantata · 08/03/2024 14:28

We've had so many "thrown the RF under the bus", "trading on their titles for money", "liars", "whingers" etc etc for so many years that it's now become more boring than hell, so what's the next set of talking points we can come up with!???

Are you seriously contesting these issues?

They've certainly done the first one, patently do the second one all the time (look at their website), have been proved to have lied several times and, while I admit the definition of 'whingeing' might be somewhat subjective, I think H's (and sometimes even M's) entitled and tone-deaf complaints definitely come under that heading.

CoffeeCantata · 08/03/2024 14:29

Roussette · Today 13:34

Harry was always a square peg in a round hole within the RF. Thank goodness he met Meghan and left. Best decision all round

Let's hope you're proved right, but only time will tell.

RoundandRounnnd · 08/03/2024 14:31

Firstly, they’ve got nothing to apologise for. Secondly, there is no evidence to suggest that they would want to return to the UK. They seem quite happy with their current home. It’s those that obsess about them that appear unhappy.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 08/03/2024 14:35

I would have liked to see Prince Edward’s children as Prince and Princess if they were working royals, and I would also like to see them along with Beatrice and Eugenie undertaking the more mundane ribbon cutting duties that the elderly Gloucesters do now. I think it was always the intention on Andrew’s part that his daughters would be working royals so I can understand him wanting them to have those titles. Princess Ann smart cookie that she is realised titles would hold her children back, Zara particularly is quids in, both in monetary aspects and popularity. Harry and Meghan I find utterly bizarre they would want their children in anyway associated with an institution that nearly drove their mother to suicide and a country both their parents had to flee for their lives from, most strange they would want to subject their children to that racist institution, that’s why people find it ridiculous.

CoffeeCantata · 08/03/2024 14:38

Pushtart · Today 12:12

She never planned to 'fit in' with the role expected of her.

I wonder what that means? Put up with the press intrusion, the lies, the misogyny and racism?

I think what people who aren't fans of H & M can't forgive is that they created the stink while the late Queen and her husband were clearly in their final years.

If Meghan had genuinely wanted to be part of the show, but wished to see change/reform etc, the wise move would have been to learn the ropes quietly and bided her time. If they'd toed the line for a couple of years while learning the job I bet Charles would have been sympathetic to some of their wishes.

It was just arrogant to come in and create such a storm at that particular time. Absolutely no excuses for what they did and I think they're both culpable.

Vespanest · 08/03/2024 14:48

This thread is interesting to read. Whilst I don’t see him coming back to live, if Harry is to be believed he does want some form of relationship that includes the UK, why spend 100s thousands on a legal case for UK security. But he’s created a double edged sword in that there is agreement by elements of all sides for him not to come back at all. Including an element of his own supporters who have become embedded in their stance of royal family evil and Harry and Meghan saintly to the point it doesn’t matter if Harry is ready to draw a line in the sand, or his declaration of love or even his hope of a family coming together his supporters and detractors have taken sides.

Roussette · 08/03/2024 14:53

I don't think they're saints. Far from it actually

TallerSally · 08/03/2024 14:54

CoffeeCantata · 08/03/2024 14:28

We've had so many "thrown the RF under the bus", "trading on their titles for money", "liars", "whingers" etc etc for so many years that it's now become more boring than hell, so what's the next set of talking points we can come up with!???

Are you seriously contesting these issues?

They've certainly done the first one, patently do the second one all the time (look at their website), have been proved to have lied several times and, while I admit the definition of 'whingeing' might be somewhat subjective, I think H's (and sometimes even M's) entitled and tone-deaf complaints definitely come under that heading.

Are you seriously contesting these issues?

Are you seriously imagining that I, and many others, share your views on this???

Really, just because anti-M&H opinions such as these get repeated endlessly on some MN boards doesn’t remotely mean they are a) fact or b) widely accepted as fact!

So, nope, I don’t remotely agree with your perspective.

Nice attempt, but as old as the hills, and definitely not washing!

Lampzade · 08/03/2024 14:56

MrsMitford3 · 07/03/2024 19:14

I don't think Meghan ever felt at home here and harry gave interviews even pre Meghan saying how unhappy he was. He wanted out too.

Can't believe they would ever move back if any of what they said in interviews about how they felt/were treated etc was true.

Why on earth would they want to???

Meghan and Harry look happy in the US.
I can’t see them ever coming back to England tbh

Lampzade · 08/03/2024 14:59

namechangeduetoimpatience · 08/03/2024 07:18

Gosh, some of you!

Why would they? Put down the DM!

Outside the relatively small bubble of royal family fanatics, most people do not hate H&M as much as some of you think. I’m not the biggest Meghan fan but in 2024, nobody is turning their nose down at an accomplished woman. You don’t have to like her but she not ‘supposedly intelligent’, she’s educated and made a fairly decent life for herself before getting involved with the RF. Money isn’t everything, but she was the only self made millionaire amongst the senior royals. You can question if she tried hard enough to fit in the RF but she’s not lazy.

I still don’t think the RF did enough to assimilate her. How is it that an institution THAT size, that rules the commonwealth couldn’t accommodate the first mixed race senior royal? Nothing could be done? And Before anyone asks why they should, go look at the list of commonwealth countries. I’m sorry but the RF doesn’t look good here and that fact that some of you can’t see it explains a lot. Also explains why the RF sent Kate and William to Jamaica for that visit. Are they that out of touch?

Half the actions/quotes that are attributed to Meghan are actually Harry’s but some you can’t move beyond blaming her for everything. If you were Meghan, why would you want to return to the RF? For what reason? She was ok before and she will be ok after.

The future looks more like H&M than W&K.

The RF is important to British culture and heritage but after Queen Elizabeth the institution is not the same.

This

TheCraicDealer · 08/03/2024 15:08

Why does everyone say, “Why would they want to come back?” when all reports indicate that they have very high outgoings and no substantial deals or projects on the horizon to meet them? Harry said himself in the Oprah interview that he was forced into making commercial deals in order to pay for security and other overheads. Now they’ve run out of gossip and their content creation wasn’t exactly met with cheers of “more, more!” from Netflix/Spotify, what else can they do to earn the level of income they need to keep the lights on? And their costs are only going to increase with school/uni costs, ringfencing provision/inheritance for their children, etc. I wonder if their advisors must be like Mr Shepherd in Persuasion, telling them that their only option is to retrench.

Coming back (even part time, a few months a year) may not be what M&H want to do, but there’s no doubt that if they returned to the UK they could reduce their housing and security costs substantially. A place somewhere on the Windsor estate would solve both issues. Plus being back in the Royal fold would return some of that shine and glamour that is, ultimately, what many people and companies found attractive in them back in 2020 when they left and were hot property. Of course there will always be the issue of them making their own money and I wonder if they now think they can reattempt a version of “half in, half out” with Charles, who’s much more likely to be swayed than QEII would have been.

There must also be a sense of “now or never”, given KC’s cancer diagnosis, however good his prognosis is. He’s in his mid 70’s already and Harry must know by now that there’s no way he’ll be given any favourable treatment from his brother. It would be much more prudent to return now, when his father is in charge, and agree the most advantageous terms possible, than wait and have the door permanently closed when his brother comes to the throne.

The booing and lack of “respect” now offered to them (eg their seating at that premier in Jamaica) recently must also sting a bit. Even Meghan appearing in this upcoming panel- two, three years ago she would have been expected to be the keynote speaker, not one of four women in a panel discussion. They’re no longer shiny and new and interesting, and for all his “just call me Harry”, the fact that people no longer show him automatic deference must be a difficult adjustment for someone used to it from birth. Even the thing about their latest “date night” down in Texas, previously that would have been towards the top of say the DM’s website, now you would have almost missed it it was so far down the page.

I think it would be possible for them to return in some capacity, but they would need to actually listen to and heed advice, avoid controversy and do the boring drudgery for a few years to accomplish it. I just don’t think they have the capacity or desire to do those things long term.

Primrosecottagelover · 08/03/2024 15:11

I think they’ll come back to the UK in some capacity. It’s good for them, it’s good for the media.

Terrible to say but if KC’s illness is terminal or serious then Harry will come back for visits and want to spend more time here, and Charlie’s tune will change. The whole dynamic will change and soften.

I think it’s not about the public accepting them, it’s about forgiveness within their family.

Mostly, I don’t believe there’s anything you can’t come back from with family.

One photo shoot of Harry and William playing polo together and their children frolicking in Diana’s memorial garden. Two Princess genuinely bonding and photographed and I think the royal experts and public would be wetting their pants. It’s double the glamour and designer dresses & column inches.

Whether thats possible, who knows, there’d have to be a hero in the situation, grace and
a few bold moves/olive branches.

They’re four people who’ve found themselves in an extraordinary situation that few could imagine or navigate. We all like to think we’d react x way and not be fuming and sit with Europe or talk for freedom and independence. We just know part of the story, they must have been pretty mad. I feel
Sympathy on all sides & I think perhaps it was lost on William and Catherine how comparatively protected & free (financially) and empowered (next in line) that they were.

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