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NYPD: Harry and Meghan were ‘recklessly’chased by paparazzi through New York

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pipsfromthefuture · 28/02/2024 17:08

Apparently there is enough to arrest two individuals as well.

"Paparazzi did chase Prince Harry and Meghan Markle “recklessly” through New York last year, police have confirmed.

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex said at the time that they and Meghan’s mother Doria Ragland narrowly avoided a “catastrophic” crash while being pursued by paparazzi after leaving the Women of Vision Awards at Manhattan’s Ziegfeld Ballroom on 16 May. [...]

However, in a hearing at the High Court on Wednesday, a judge revealed New York City Police did investigate the car chase and found paparazzi did display “persistently dangerous and unacceptable behaviour”.

"Investigation confirms Harry, Meghan, Doria were recklessly endangered in NY

Harry and Meghan were ‘recklessly’chased by paparazzi in New York, police confirm

Duke and Duchess of Sussex said they narrowly avoided ‘catastrophic’ crash leaving event last year

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/news/prince-harry-meghan-markle-chase-b2504021.html

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Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 01/03/2024 13:21

goldierocks · 01/03/2024 13:00

My post on page 4 of this thread has the full current situation regarding 'the letter', as I understand it.

In summary, at the time of the NY car incident there was no-one at the NYPD with the job title of 'Chief of Intelligence'.

The person with the most similar job title is Thomas Galati. He was the 'Chief of Intelligence and Counterterrorism'. However he stood down in March 2023, so is unlikely to be sending letters about an investigation after he left, using an incomplete job title he no longer held.

Thomas Galati was replaced by Rebecca Weiner, whose job title is given as 'Deputy Commissioner, Intelligence & Counterterrorism'. As the judgment refers to the letter from the 'Chief of Intelligence' as 'he', it's not likely to be her (for absolute clarity, she uses female pronouns).

Some media reports have suggested the name of the person who sent the letter on behalf of the NYPD was John B. Hart. This name isn't mentioned in the judgment at all. If it was him, his job title is 'Commanding Officer - Intelligence Division'.

The FOI is asking for the copy of the letter that was produced in court to be released in full. It will clarify who from the NYPD sent the letter, and of course will also highlight if a clerical error was made in the judgment (for example by referring to 'he' instead of 'her', and using a non-existent job title).

Many thanks for this detailed analysis, @goldierocks, really interesting. I have also seen some commentary about the letter head and footers too being inconsistent with the norm. And the content referring to an "imminent event" I think, which doesn't make sense.

wordler · 01/03/2024 13:39

To be fair, the times they wind down the windows so that people can see and photograph them for specific events, I think that's totally fine.

It's also fine to say at a different point in time you don't want cameras in your face as you are being driven away. It's also fine to not want the paps to see where you will be staying so that you protect the privacy of your host and/or can pop out for a breakfast sandwich in the morning without being stalked by photographers etc

But if that's what you want, and at the same time safety is your primary concern then don't create a situation where you are 'chased' for two hours through a city. Don't change cars to a much less safe, secure and private option in the middle of that 'chase'.

Their security should have always had a plan B for this situation - all it would have taken - after the first 10-20 minutes of not being able to shake the paps was drive to a fancy hotel with VIP parking - wait a short time - paps think they have your destination, and then leave in an anonymous blacked out vehicle no one would have been any the wiser. The top New York hotels are very used to dealing with high profile people who need their privacy.

AliceOlive · 01/03/2024 13:54

It was a huge security failure. I am surprised that as well-traveled as Meghan was before meeting Harry, she didn’t just take over the situation. One call to the Carlyle and they would have helped them out of their predicament, I am sure. Offered cover for a while and perhaps a secret exit.

I can understand Harry not really grasping how to travel safely given he never had to think about it before. But from my perspective you need security who is highly familiar with the city where you are traveling.

AliceOlive · 01/03/2024 13:55

@@wordler I didn’t even read your post before writing mine. Perhaps we should open a security firm together.

jötunnn · 01/03/2024 14:13

But surely his hired experts should have known how to operate effectively and safely?

Endangering a random cab driver - how did they justify drawing him into their catastrophic situation? Oh wait, maybe they also felt it was inappropriate and challenging rather than catastrophic and therefore not such a big deal 😃

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 01/03/2024 14:17

The TMZ footage of them in the cab doesn't indicate anything catastrophic or particularly dangerous. I agree, though, dragging an innocent cabbie into what they say they believed was a dangerous situation does not put them in a good light.

jeffgoldblum · 01/03/2024 14:20

I'm not sure harry considers other people at all to be honest!

jötunnn · 01/03/2024 14:23

Interesting how the endangerment of the cab driver’s life isn’t drawing the same ire, which is sad, as he doesn’t have the title or platform to truly answer back anyway. Another disparity in power and privilege and concern.

However, if the situation wasn’t really that catastrophic and he wasn’t really in any danger, then perfectly understandable why no fuss is being made.

wordler · 01/03/2024 14:25

AliceOlive · 01/03/2024 13:55

@@wordler I didn’t even read your post before writing mine. Perhaps we should open a security firm together.

Can't do worse than the bozos running that evening's security!

Who would think it was a good idea to put your two principals and their mother in a car with a total stranger, an unproven driver within the context of a security situation?

Instead of releasing hyperbolic statements about 2-hour near-catastrophic car chases, Harry should have fired his security team and had a complete rethink about how they manage getting to and from events.

Janiie · 01/03/2024 15:16

'Instead of releasing hyperbolic statements about 2-hour near-catastrophic car chases, Harry should have fired his security team and had a complete rethink about how they manage getting to and from events.'

Indeed.

He can never see the woods for the trees.

AliceOlive · 01/03/2024 15:29

wordler · 01/03/2024 14:25

Can't do worse than the bozos running that evening's security!

Who would think it was a good idea to put your two principals and their mother in a car with a total stranger, an unproven driver within the context of a security situation?

Instead of releasing hyperbolic statements about 2-hour near-catastrophic car chases, Harry should have fired his security team and had a complete rethink about how they manage getting to and from events.

It would be interesting to know who made the decision to ignore the plan provided by NYPD - H&M or their security.

jötunnn · 01/03/2024 19:55

AliceOlive · 01/03/2024 15:29

It would be interesting to know who made the decision to ignore the plan provided by NYPD - H&M or their security.

Was the NYPD’s advice to stop at a hotel to shake them off?

MrsFinkelstein · 01/03/2024 20:40

jötunnn · 01/03/2024 19:55

Was the NYPD’s advice to stop at a hotel to shake them off?

It's not clear - the article just says the NYPD recommended a "planned stop".

A luxury hotel with private underground parking would be the most obvious choice, but it's not specified.

jötunnn · 01/03/2024 20:47

MrsFinkelstein · 01/03/2024 20:40

It's not clear - the article just says the NYPD recommended a "planned stop".

A luxury hotel with private underground parking would be the most obvious choice, but it's not specified.

Ah I see! I would have expected his security team to have had various contingency plans.

I’ve actually been impressed with how this group of mumsnetters have demonstrated Jason Bourne level planning skills.

pipsfromthefuture · 02/03/2024 15:41

skullbabe · 01/03/2024 00:03

This the Sussexes statement - it was hyperbole IMO - the phrases "near catastrophic....car chase....relentless pursuit" certainly imply high speed.

Once again - the paparazzi themselves have admitted to driving on the pavement, through red lights and to speeding. There is video taken by the paps themselves of them speeding down a pavement. How would you describe how they behaved? Was the event sustained and prolonged? How would you describe the red lights and the pavement driving?

They made a mistake. They know that - that is why their behaviour and movements in public have changed since. I’ve read through parts of the judgement - I was interested to see they had planned to bring the children to the UK for the events before Elizabeth died and something happened to spook them. In this context - it might be understandable why they were jumpy, and especially if the children were with them in New York, why they didn’t want to stay in another hotel, why they were keen to not let the paps know where they were and why they thought that they could shake the paps after awhile and they would eventually give up. They miscalculated.

Thanks skullbabe. I haven't read it yet but there's some interesting things coming out of it

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AliceOlive · 02/03/2024 18:23

jötunnn · 01/03/2024 20:47

Ah I see! I would have expected his security team to have had various contingency plans.

I’ve actually been impressed with how this group of mumsnetters have demonstrated Jason Bourne level planning skills.

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These are the same guys walking around with a Glock in a box.

jeffgoldblum · 02/03/2024 18:25

Sorry @AliceOlive , but glock in a box , really tickled me for some reason! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

jötunnn · 02/03/2024 18:29

AliceOlive · 02/03/2024 18:23

These are the same guys walking around with a Glock in a box.

jason bourne GIF

It’s actually terrifying when I think about the implications of that. Jason Bourne they clearly ain’t!

@jeffgoldblum 😂

AliceOlive · 02/03/2024 18:35

jeffgoldblum · 02/03/2024 18:25

Sorry @AliceOlive , but glock in a box , really tickled me for some reason! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Does it have anything to do with a certain Saturday night live skit of old? 🤣

jeffgoldblum · 02/03/2024 18:36

Quite possibly!!! 🤣

StormzyinaTCup · 02/03/2024 20:04

These are the same guys walking around with a Glock in a box.

That was funny because, in an emergency situation, what is the point of having a gun in a box!
I am wondering if, rather than a gun inside, it was actually Harry's packed lunch for the journey home and the security guard was just saving face😁

AliceOlive · 02/03/2024 20:18

StormzyinaTCup · 02/03/2024 20:04

These are the same guys walking around with a Glock in a box.

That was funny because, in an emergency situation, what is the point of having a gun in a box!
I am wondering if, rather than a gun inside, it was actually Harry's packed lunch for the journey home and the security guard was just saving face😁

🤣

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