That car chase

[kirinm]

www.thedailybeast.com/prince-harry-and-meghan-markle-actually-were-dangerously-chased-in-manhattan-nypd-says

So they weren't lying and instead the NYPD were lying.

I wonder if this will be picked up by any of the papers here.

They have had a massive change in behaviour since then. They rarely announce appearences in advance, they show up and disappear again.

That’s also something I noticed - they rarely go to publicised events as a couple anymore.

Er, what? Whistler, anybody?

😂exactly !

Thank you for your three posts in a row.

The suggestion about the marriage was that it was 3 days before, not the day before.

I will never know how much editting was done to the Oprah interview. I can understand that when Meghan stood with Harry and the Archbishop and rehearsed her vows it might have felt as if she was married that very day, but she wasn't, because there weren't 2 witnesses. That inaccuracy has seemed to many to be an evidence of outright wicked lying and to others that it really didn't matter and to others that it was ever so sweet and romantic. It depends on how they want to regard it. That, and other things which have been said, have been so woolly that it is no wonder that there's questioning and disbelief at every new development.
If I have mis-spelled 'editting' or indeed 'Meghan', I apologise, and do correct me.

This is what I don't understand. They are well used to travelling in a way that doesn't attract attention. They'd just been to a public event so the paps knew where they were. It would have been perfectly easy for them to arrange transport in a vehicle which would not keep them concealed, so there would be no incentive to follow them. Yet, having known that attention would already be called to them, they decide to travel in a way that is almost designed to attract further attention, and complain about the consequences.

The report linked above includes this:

"“[The Sussex’s ] reluctance to go to the planned stop, with paparazzi, was a contributing factor. Harry has been insistent someone be arrested — that requires evidence which we don’t have at this time,” said another source, referencing how the NYPD and royals conferred during that incident about a planned destination where cops could control the traffic flow."

I don't think that helps H's case, really.

I agree. And they did it when they had the trail underway. Almost as though they wanted a little drama so they could then use it in the home office case. And funnily enough, it was Harry that provided the report from the nypd to the judge (some technically leaked himself) only the esteemed judge still didn’t agree with the point Harry was trying to make.

Another far more eloquent poster than me
made the point, they can understand there is a risk, and some racism too, but then why are they pursuing the high profile celebrity lifestyle whilst also complaining and claiming to be scared. They can be rich and also avoid the limelight and all the the perceived risk that comes with it. Doesn’t add up. It’s obvious they want their cake and to eat it.

Oh dear, it really does seem like he wanted a particular outcome to make his point. Inconsiderate to put his wife and mother in law in that position thinking the home office would feel guilty and compelled to backtrack on their very fair decision. They do provide him with security as/when they deem it necessary and they ask for a months notice which makes sense and is fair.

From the reports about the sequences of that night it seems to me that the biggest danger to Harry and Meghan came from their own security team.

They had no plan on how to deal with the need to shake off the paps - without driving aimlessly through the streets of a busy city like New York.

They decided to swap their principles from a secure, blacked out SUV with their own driver and room for at least 2 security personel to an unknown taxi driver with clear windows which allowed the only in car photos of the Sussexes - none of whom were wearing seatbelts for their ‘chase’.

There were reports at the time that the Sussexes drivers (not the taxi driver, the ones in their SUV convoy) were the ones causing unnecessary danger on the streets.

I suspect that the ‘new security’ measures that New York is ‘giving’ to Harry is actually to insist on using their own trained NY police security drivers who know what to do in the city in these situations to prevent them causing this kind of chaos.

Pleasure!.

Sleepless night!

Whistler was a different event though - they are actively promoting it.

I mean events like film premiers, giving out awards etc. It seems they just arrive without pre promotion.

This is for @upinaballoon - another three in a row.

Buy a lottery ticket! 😁

Jay Z and Beyonce travel around in a converted van with darkened windows. No-one knows it's them. And they use back entrances to venues.

It would have been so easy to arrange that. Instead the three of them hopped in a cab?!

The FDR has a 40 mph speed limit so unlikely.

Did they jump into the cab because they weren’t getting enough attention? Not enough to sway a judge anyway…

ok so now, Harry, Meghan and her mother Doria, deliberately and intentionally put themselves and others at greater risk for attention. This despite Harry's mother dying the way she did.

By pursuing a celebrity life in the limelight that’s exactly what he’s doing.

William the actual heir to the throne has managed to avoid catastrophic high speed car chases - funny that

Well someone decided to put them in a taxi with a random driver - rather than one they knew was trained to deal with security issues - where they could be clearly seen and photographed - with only room for one security person - with none of them wearing seatbelts - it was a bonkers decision in terms of security and the situation they were in the middle of.

That cab driver also played down their exaggerated version of events, funnily enough it was their employee who was hyping it up

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a42407501/prince-harry-spare-memoir-princess-diana-paris-tunnel/

it wouldn’t be the first time he’s been drawn to recreating certain personally triggering events

Did none of them really wear seatbelts? I find that astonishing given how Diana died.

It is astonishing if their concerns were safety during a ‘near catastrophic’ ‘chase’ (chase implying speed) to use their own words.

However if they were crawling along at waking speed through busy NY streets with a couple of paps on foot and bicycles photographed them through the window then perhaps they didn’t feel they were in danger of crashing so felt fine to forgo the seatbelt.

I actually think by the time they got in the taxi everything had calmed down. Especially according to the taxi driver’s account of the situation. It was their own team’s driving that was more erratic but perhaps they had seatbelts on for that part of the journey. But we don’t know because they had blacked out windows protecting their privacy.

William has a team of round the clock Personal Protection Officers.