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smilesy · 2024-02-28T11:21:03+00:00

The judgment is in [[Prince Harry loses High Court challenge over UK security protection https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68421992 See here]]

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smilesy · 16/04/2024 19:46

IcedPurple · 16/04/2024 19:39

But I suppose he may get permission - not the substantive appeal at this stage - if the Court of Appeal thinks this is sufficiently high profile that a full public appeal would be in the wider interest.

The judge seemed pretty scathing about the whole case. Even in his early statements, I got the feeling he was saying, through legalese, that the whole thing was a crock.

And of course, even if he does somehow manage to appeal the 'case' and in turn wins the Judicial Review, chances are very high, as Justice Lane pointed out, that the Home Office will come to the same judgement all over again.

So much time, effort and money for so little.

Absolutely. Harry seems to have lost sight of the fact that the result of him winning this trial would only ever have been for RAVEC to have to revisit their decision and in all probability come to the same conclusion. He seems to think it would somehow miraculously mean he would be granted security

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MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 16/04/2024 19:51

smilesy · 16/04/2024 19:46

Absolutely. Harry seems to have lost sight of the fact that the result of him winning this trial would only ever have been for RAVEC to have to revisit their decision and in all probability come to the same conclusion. He seems to think it would somehow miraculously mean he would be granted security

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I think that's what he thinks; that if he keeps this up all of a sudden RAVEC will see the light and go "You know what? this man's right after all. Let's give him what he wants." Wearing them down by attrition.

Unlikely to happen, of course.

JADS · 16/04/2024 20:10

Just to be crystal clear here, when we are told that Harry 'costs us nothing', that's bullshit. All this unecessary court malarky costs us. His security costs us. I pay for Netflix (I know, I know, but the kids love it) so that costs me.

To be fair, he is amusing, but not that amusing.

EchoChamber · 16/04/2024 20:18

Mylovelygreendress · 16/04/2024 13:11

I wonder how much of his almost paranoia about security is down to Meghan ? In the early days she claimed she was harassed etc in Canada and the police did nothing . A claim firmly denied by the Chief of Police . She also claimed that paps were stalking her ( can’t remember where) but it emerged she had contacted them. As I suspect she frequently does.

I think a lot of his paranoia has been stoked by her. She wants him fearful and angry because then he is less likely to want to see his family or spend time in theUK. He seems to have no issue in the US, which is odd as guns are a much bigger issue there.

SaffronSpice · 16/04/2024 20:19

Not sure it is entirely fair to attribute the cost of Netflix to Harry. Yes they overpaid for his input but that was their decision. And your decision to get Netflix.

JADS · 16/04/2024 20:29

Oh I 100% agree with my decision to keep Netflix. Every now and again, I consider stopping my subscription, but as I said the kids stuff is good.

Netflix have definitely overpaid for what they have got.

Overtheatlantic · 16/04/2024 20:31

I think the British media stoked his fear and William allowed it to happen as part of his campaign to get the media off his back. Harry has never done anything wrong. He told the story truthfully of his family’s relationship with the British media. And he got smashed for it.

Mylovelygreendress · 16/04/2024 20:34

Overtheatlantic · 16/04/2024 20:31

I think the British media stoked his fear and William allowed it to happen as part of his campaign to get the media off his back. Harry has never done anything wrong. He told the story truthfully of his family’s relationship with the British media. And he got smashed for it.

I don’t know where to start with this post so I will pour a glass of wine instead .

IcedPurple · 16/04/2024 20:36

When Harry looks in the mirror and sees his bald spot expanding, does he blame the bRiTiSH mEdiA?

I think he does.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 16/04/2024 20:38

Mylovelygreendress · 16/04/2024 20:34

I don’t know where to start with this post so I will pour a glass of wine instead .

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Some things are worth the effort (like pouring a glass of wine). Some things aren't.

Mylovelygreendress · 16/04/2024 20:41

Cheers @MrsDanversGlidesAgain 🍷

BigWillyLittleTodger · 16/04/2024 20:49

Maireas · 16/04/2024 18:52

No, those titles will never be taken away.

Unless William does a Daisy.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 16/04/2024 20:56

EchoChamber · 16/04/2024 20:18

I think a lot of his paranoia has been stoked by her. She wants him fearful and angry because then he is less likely to want to see his family or spend time in theUK. He seems to have no issue in the US, which is odd as guns are a much bigger issue there.

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She feeds it, you could see this in the Netflix reality show, she was winding his paranoia up in the back of the car when the pizza delivery guy was behind them and Harry was getting all stressed, she then told him they would soon be safe….. I actually found that footage quite disturbing watching her do that to him.

Maireas · 16/04/2024 20:59

BigWillyLittleTodger · 16/04/2024 20:49

Unless William does a Daisy.

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That's true!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 16/04/2024 21:05

I think a lot of his paranoia has been stoked by her. She wants him fearful and angry because then he is less likely to want to see his family or spend time in the UK

I do hope not, because by MN standards - or indeed any standards at all - that would be considered extremely abusive

EchoChamber · 16/04/2024 21:07

Puzzledandpissedoff · 16/04/2024 21:05

I think a lot of his paranoia has been stoked by her. She wants him fearful and angry because then he is less likely to want to see his family or spend time in the UK

I do hope not, because by MN standards - or indeed any standards at all - that would be considered extremely abusive

Well, yes. That much is obvious I think.

BruFord · 16/04/2024 21:18

Mylovelygreendress · 16/04/2024 13:14

“He does not understand that his status has declined, and will continue to decline.”

It’s worth remembering that the Duke of Gloucester was once 5th in the LOS . Now 31st and I doubt many people could pick him out on a line up .

Exactly@Mylovelygreendress , he no longer needs the security that he once did and that need will continue to dwindle.

I’m pleased to hear this outcome and I wish that he wouldn’t pursue a pointless appeal, but he’s clearly determined to.

JSMill · 16/04/2024 21:21

@BigWillyLittleTodger I agree with you about that scene in Netflix. It really stuck in my mind. She was encouraging him to feel unsafe which isn't great under any circumstances but there was clearly no danger at that time so it was really unhealthy.

Prydddan · 16/04/2024 22:15

Mylovelygreendress · 16/04/2024 17:33

if they hadn’t left would it have been up to William to support H and M from the Duchy of Cornwall income ?
Imagining William going through Meghan’s clothing account …..

No, it would have been on Charles to support them. Duchy of Cornwall is funding for the heir and his/ her familt

Prydddan · 16/04/2024 22:20

BigWillyLittleTodger · 16/04/2024 17:55

But as @IcedPurple wrote
Meghan was granted prestigious and potentially glamorous patronages such as the National Theatre. They had big tours in Australia and other countries. Meghan were custom couture outfits, paid for by others. They got to hang out with Heads of State and A listers.

In fact, they did very little of the 'opening factories in Hull' stuff. And even the Queen and now the King do plenty of unglamorous work. I would say that as 'spares' they had more opportunity to shape their role than William and Kate, for whom expectations would be more rigid. They had an amazing deal, but were too full of hubris to realise it. And now they're hawking jam and plugging a corporate coaching app for a living.

I just can’t get my head around that she was handed all the above on a golden platter plus Frogmore and they were also apparently offered a country estate, staff at their beck and call, I could go on listing the things that were handed to them, they could have had a holiday home in Montecito if they had wanted, they would have been royal international jet setters! Yet none of it was enough as they wouldn’t be as important as William and Kate.

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BUT. She and Harry had a controlled budget. All the money was in the Duchies, and Harry had no right to that, only an expectation that their lifestyle would be funded. That must have chafed.

Prydddan · 16/04/2024 22:35

EchoChamber · 16/04/2024 21:07

Well, yes. That much is obvious I think.

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On MN, if someone says their partner is threatening suicide...

Mylovelygreendress · 16/04/2024 22:44

Prydddan · 16/04/2024 22:20

BUT. She and Harry had a controlled budget. All the money was in the Duchies, and Harry had no right to that, only an expectation that their lifestyle would be funded. That must have chafed.

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It may have been controlled but it was very generous given the figures published !

AutumnCrow · 16/04/2024 23:18

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68822178

Prince Harry to fight on in legal battle over security

Prince Harry's appeal over his security protection is rejected, but his legal fight is to carry on.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68822178

SaffronSpice · 16/04/2024 23:22

Mylovelygreendress · 16/04/2024 22:44

It may have been controlled but it was very generous given the figures published !

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But it was all there would be. Meghan probably saw it as the ‘next step’ in her financial and celebrity growth, not the final step. That and her failure to understand the cultural differences between America and the UK. I’ve had American friends who have lived in the UK for a while and they have all said it was a shock how different our cultures are, not least because with a shared-ish language they assumed things would be much more similar.

themessygarden · 17/04/2024 06:46

Samantha Cohen has commented about the bullying case,

"During an interview with The Herald Sun on Monday, Samantha Cohen — who was a Buckingham Palace staffer for nearly 20 years before leaving in 2019 — revealed she was one of 10 staff members questioned during the investigation.

While she didn’t directly speak about the investigation, she revealed the Palace was unable to find a replacement aide for the Duke and Duchess due to the high staff turnover.

“I was only supposed to stay for six months but stayed for 18 — we couldn’t find a replacement for me and when we did, we took them on tour to Africa with Harry and Meghan to show them the ropes, but they left (quit) as well while in Africa,” she said."

Thats the first I have heard of staff quitting during the S. Africa tour.