Harry’s security case

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The judgment is in Harry loses High Court challenge over UK security protection www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68421992 See here

Thing is though, he can notify RAVEC of the families intention to travel to London of the Invictus Games ceremony. I would imagine they would get security for that.

He wants the security at his disposal 24/7 like the old days. He says jump, they say how high.

I agree, and that's why I say this is about ego and status, not 'security' as such. As I said above, his chosen lifestyle is not that of someone living in constant fear.

Nobody in official Britain would want anything to happen to the son of the king on their watch, even if they can't stand the petulant little brat. If intelligence assessments suggest he might be at serious risk, appropriate security will be provided. He knows that. If it were all about 'security', that should be more than enough for him. But he wants what his brother has. He does not understand that his status has declined, and will continue to decline.

I wonder how much of his almost paranoia about security is down to Meghan ? In the early days she claimed she was harassed etc in Canada and the police did nothing . A claim firmly denied by the Chief of Police . She also claimed that paps were stalking her ( can’t remember where) but it emerged she had contacted them. As I suspect she frequently does.

“He does not understand that his status has declined, and will continue to decline.”

It’s worth remembering that the Duke of Gloucester was once 5th in the LOS . Now 31st and I doubt many people could pick him out on a line up .

Well, to be fair, there was the two-hour high speed chase through the streets of New York. Smoke coming off the screeching tyres as Harry and Meghan were in a life or death race against time, like Popeye Doyle in the French Connection, in a bid to evade reckless paparazzi. Or something.

I'm not convinced he is 'paranoid about security' at all.

He and his wife regularly leave their young children on the other side of the country, indeed on the other side of the Atlantic. They go to massive stadiums for concerts or sports events. Their home looks like it would be really difficult and expensive to secure. They travel internationally with presumably no official security at all.

Like I say, I think this is an expensive ego trip for him.

He is obsessed about the IPP status, it’s all about his/theirs ego. It is hard to understand how someone is lacking so much of self awareness and humility, who thinks it’s ok for the tax payer to pay for this.

Him & his wife are mocked and ridiculed but it’s not the same as being in danger. On the other hand, on another thread some PP are voraciously screaming c**t at Catherine, I can only imagine these loons out in the wild which is an actual security concern.

Looks like he was attempting to get Johnny Mercer MP to lobby on his behalf, is he also a lawyer ? and Johnny Mercer MP lobbying for tens of millions to support Harry's Invictus Games in a bankrupt city. Yep, he really sounds like an MP who has the taxpayer at the forefront of his endeavours.

I think Harry is possibly looking more and more like he has become the heir apparent to his Uncle Andrew and his modus operandi.

I think it's everything. Ego or status, resentment, yes, but also his paranoia and conviction he is at risk. The fact he doesn't avoid large gatherings to me indicates that this is about his feeling of risk and danger rather than any actual risk because even private security would restrict his movements if there was a genuine threat.

I find it sad that he seems unable to find therapy that makes him feel more secure in the world.

He really can’t cope with his loss of status

I think this is so true. I think he is and always has been a massive egomaniac, but for a long time Palace officials surprised that side of him.

I suspect he thought this tantrum and flounce would ah e QE2 on the phone begging for his return, he’s the cool Prince and his wife is a national treasurer and they can’t do without him

That didn’t happen. In fact no one cared and I think that really bothers him

Anyone who can afford to play polo and live the life of H & M can pay for their own security if they are serious about their concerns.

What an unbelievable cheek.

If he got what he wanted, 24/7 police protection - does he honestly expect the officers to accompany him to Polo games, pop concerts etc?

I get that they do this for Prince William - but the pay back is that he in turn does his public duties - aside for attending the odd Football match you also don't see the Wales family lording it up at pure 'jollies' like Harry does. They are discreet.

I just can't imagine the visuals of publicly funded police protection accompanying Harry and Meghan to say a Beyoncé concert etc. On private jets to film premiers etc.

I think he also conflates genuine threats to his safety with unwanted attention from photographers

While I agree, it's tempting to wonder where these photographers actually are

Nobody disputes they can behave like pigs, but we also remember someone else's huge crowds of them being used for the Netflix doc, the frantic pointing out of car windows at apparently nothing, the alleged informing them of where to find the couple and more

Could it be possible that it's not photogs per se they object to, but ones doing a job normally which they can't control?

I find it sad that he seems unable to find therapy that makes him feel more secure in the world.

I suspect he has had too much therapy, spent too long naval gazing.

Also, there's an unwritten agreement that British 'paps' leave royals alone when 'off duty'. It's not always adhered to, but for the most part it is. You rarely see 'pap' photos of royals in the British press.

Of course those rules don't apply in California, but it was Harry's choice to live there. Not that he's top of the list of 'pap' targets there, by any means.

He is obsessed about the IPP status

I think this is the heart of it going right back to the hastily removed exit statement posted on the Sussex website in 2020 pontificating about being 'Internationally Protected Persons'.

I have read (not sure if it's actually the case) that IPP status confers some sort of legal immunity too which might have been useful should Harold be found to have lied on his visa application especially if an unsympathetic Trump administration comes to pass.

What’s the state of play with that? I thought the court had said that the form must remain confidential.

I agree with this and I also think Meghan thought it works hiw Hillswood works.

Take the Kardashian/Jenner family. (BYW I know nothing behind their names so apologies of this doesn’t ring true but it’s hypothetical)…
If they book an event for a time when Kylie for example is going to be pregnant and her husband has left her, she is worth more financially than say her sister Kim who had done nothing of particular note in the last few months. Kylie will get say $100,000 more than Kim for doing the same thing. It’s about clout and relevancy.

Similarly if Chloe has a new boyfriend and is to show him off at an event she’s being paid to be at, she will get more than Kourtney who is bringing the bloke she’s been hitched to for years.

This is the world Meghan has grown up in and understands. She herself pre-Harry did many sponsorships, promos and YouTube videos that she’ll have been bunged a few grand for.

I really think Meghan either thought this is how the RF worked or SHOULD work, that they’d get stipends based on their relevancy and was most horrified when she was told “No, the heir gets the juicier more high profile events ALWAYS and you and Harry will be opening factories in Hull. When William ascends the throne, you won’t even get that as his children will be more relevant than you. That’s the way it will stay and no we will not adopt the Hollywood style framework”.

I have read (not sure if it's actually the case) that IPP status confers some sort of legal immunity too

If anything, it's the other way round.

"IPP status" is a big deal, usually only granted to high level diplomats or dignitaries. So their diplomatic status, and any legal immunity which might come with it, are a prerequisite to IPP status rather than a result of it. A private citizen who works as a CHIMPO and whose wife hawks jam are not entitled to IPP status. I'm not convinced they ever held this status, but they certainly don't now.

aside for attending the odd Football match you also don't see the Wales family lording it up at pure 'jollies' like Harry does.

William is President of the English FA. Football matches are official duties for him. Same as Wimbledon is for Catherine, since she became Patron of the LTA.

Also, there's an unwritten agreement that British 'paps' leave royals alone when 'off duty'.

Apparently, the Queen and Prince Philip regularly went to the theatre in London. They used to take their seats without any fuss just as the lights were going down. It was known about, but rarely reported on. about

And the children of course are left alone except when accompanying their parents on official duties.

No, the heir gets the juicier more high profile events ALWAYS and you and Harry will be opening factories in Hull.

But they weren't just opening factories in Hull, were they?

Meghan was granted prestigious and potentially glamorous patronages such as the National Theatre. They had big tours in Australia and other countries. Meghan were custom couture outfits, paid for by others. They got to hang out with Heads of State and A listers.

In fact, they did very little of the 'opening factories in Hull' stuff. And even the Queen and now the King do plenty of unglamorous work. I would say that as 'spares' they had more opportunity to shape their role than William and Kate, for whom expectations would be more rigid. They had an amazing deal, but were too full of hubris to realise it. And now they're hawking jam and plugging a corporate coaching app for a living.

They had the Commonwealth role which was pretty much created for them and which they could have developed in line with their own interests. They would have attended State banquets (with tiaras) and attended all the big occasions such as Trooping the Colour, driving down the course at Royal Ascot, etc.

And if they'd stayed, they'd be front and centre now, with both the King and Catherine out of (public) action.

Does anyone think they are kicking themselves? I’m sure they thought they would be Hollywood A list when they left but have now ended up flogging jam…….

if they hadn’t left would it have been up to William to support H and M from the Duchy of Cornwall income ?
Imagining William going through Meghan’s clothing account …..

That’s very true actually. Hadn’t thought of that.

I think Meghan is glad to be out of the UK, glad to be away from that world and I think it would be under duress that she'd ever go back for even an appearance. She couldn't control it, she wasn't top dog, she wasn't getting what she needed, she wasn't free to be herself. I suspect she's far, far happier hawking jam to her own schedule and in her own way and of her own volition, than being managed within the RF. Sadly for her, now that she has children by Harry, she will never be able to fully shed the RF connection which I think she would dearly want (whilst keeping the titles and her DCs' birthrights, of course). The British press will see to that. She's in a prison of her own making, but at least in Montecito it's an open prison.

I think Harry MUST have some regrets. He has scant contact with his family, and it was THE royal family. For such a fragile ego as his, with as many mental health issues as he's confessed to, that alone can't be easy. And, I'm willing to believe he probably really does regret not having a relationship with his nephews and niece.