Harry’s security case

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The judgment is in Harry loses High Court challenge over UK security protection www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68421992 See here

Sorry not RTFT, but seen some news shows with this subject on stating that he's the kings son so should get the same security, however, I don't think, during her reign, that the queens children had the same as Charles as next in line to the throne did they?

Also, as has been said time and time again, he's not a working royal, he may have a dad who has 24/7 security detail, but he'll get the security that is assigned to him via the official routes when he's in the UK.

I find his entitlement and general attitude stinks - throwing his toys out of the pram because he's not got his own way

... seen some news shows with this subject on stating that he's the kings son so should get the same security

You can't always help the hard of thinking, FloofCloud; this has all been fully explained time and again, but some just don't want to hear it so babble on and on with their alternate reality

The freedom Harry craved comes at the cost of doing everything he supposedly despised to earn the money to pay for security and lifestyle and the more he does the greater the need for his and his family security that he’s now in a vicious circle.

You’re right @Turtlerussell - Harry’s on a Divine Right of Kings tour. Or more likely a Divine Right of Harry.

Apparently he could be on the hook for over a million for this case alone. You could buy the services of some very competent private security men for that.

I believe he is getting through an amount in excess of that each year on private security in America.

A tiny bit of me felt a bit sorry for him as I think once the enormity of having to pay for his own security forever hit him he tried to resurrect the half in / half out - “I’m coming to help”

I also suspect the ‘coming to help out’ might have to do with realising his only selling point was his Royal inside knowledge and that was getting a bit outdated.

Indeed. What does he have now, except invading his own privacy? And after Spare and their documentary, what does he have left even of that?

I do genuinely wonder, hearing that his grandmother asked if it was possible for the royal household to fund his security, and wanted him to be protected, whether Charles isn’t still funding that, or some of it?

I've often said the same, Serenster, and if it's true I have to wonder how much of it is passed onto us

I agree with you both, I think Charles is covering a lot of it if not all. There were a few things in that judgement that made it sound like the RF were very involved in the process of finding the appropriate private security for them.

I don't imagine we'd ever find out for sure, themessygarden, but if the RF - or more likely us - are actually paying, it would shine an interesting light on Harry's comment "my family literally cut me off financially, and I had to afford security for us"

Edited to add exact quote

If the King is covering any of his private security when Harry a) has had a massive multi million pound inheritance born partly from a generous divorce settlement and also probably from QEQM who I think funnelled things carefully to the non future monarchs (assume Philip did the same) and B) had a large cheque for betraying really personal details of his own…

then he is being very generous. Harry is such a ghastly son at the moment and seems to have been hard work for most of his life but the constant leaking and whingeing and moaning and the JR embarrassment, the flagging up his entitlement at every opportunity, I would definitely let him pay for his own Glock Carrier.

I highly doubt it, because why would Charles continue to fund his security in the US, but then take away his secure home in the UK that they were paying rent for (Frogmore)?

Plus, I think if he were paying their security, that would have been leaked a long long time ago

I agree.

If he can afford private jets and a big mansion in one of the most exclusive parts of California he can afford to pay for his own security.

Speaking of that house, is a sprawling mansion with very large grounds an ideal home for someone supposedly paranoid about his security? It seems like it would be very difficult, and expensive, to secure.

I do wonder what a professional assessment of Harry's actual security needs would be. He seems to think, or wants others to think, he is in grave danger and needs high level armed security at all times, but it would be interesting to know if objective experts would come to the same conclusion.

“My dad financially cut me off” was one of the big Oprah revelations so if he’s lying then he’s being a dick.

I don’t think that Charles is paying money but might have helped free up resources by allowing his protection officers to pick up Harry from the airport while Charles stayed put with other security personnel protecting him instead.

Harry has made surprise trips to the UK without the media knowing. For example he visited Queen Elizabeth on the way to Invictus and the media reported that trip after he left. Also the media seemed unsure whether or not he’d appear in person in London when his court cases were active so it seems that he can make secret short trips without a fuss as long as they aren’t announced ahead of time.

‘“My dad financially cut me off” was one of the big Oprah revelations so if he’s lying then he’s being a dick’

This. I can’t believe how he can tell such bare faced lies.

I think the redacted name was Diana she kept her security after she left until she terminated it herself against everyone's wishes so in his mind there is precedent there

Ah that kinda fits - as wasn’t part of his argument that he’s at greater risk than Diana ever was?

O my goodness - I hope that’s not why he was trying to draw parallels with their much publicised pap encounter…he’s using her tragedy to win this case isn’t he

There’s absolutely no need to redact the name of someone who’s been dead for nearly 30 years, though.

They always seem to be trying to draw parallels between Meghan and Diana and I do feel that the weird pap car chase in any was part of trying to further this idea

True however I still think it makes sense because it's the only thing that makes his case in any way he can't say Andrew because his was withdrawn William is the heir Beatrice etc have had it withdrawn everyone did except Diana and she died after she rejected it

What Harry does not understand, and mind you it's easier to list the very few things he does understand, is that he chose to live on another continent. That is not true for William or Andrew or Diana or whatever other royal might have been redacted. Had he given up royal duties and stayed living quietly in Frogmore, not only would he have been covered by 'built in' security on the Windsor estate, it would have been much simpler to provide him and his family with security when 'out and about'.

He seems to think that highly trained, in demand specialists should be sitting around twiddling their thumbs just on the off chance the CHIMPO might visit his realm. As he's perhaps now beginning to understand, although I doubt it, it doesn't really work that way.

I'm not sure he understands at all TBH because he just keeps on going 🤷

When I think about the implications of this, and how it’s all then played out and been used, and no doubt exaggerated, all to serve a specific self serving end, it makes me feel quite queasy. It’s rather grotesque.

I think he does understand, but genuinely does have a streak of Charles the first about him, he refuses to be told and considers himself apart and above.